Claudio

Dear forumites,

I was checking some old images of my brother's collection and I stumbled on this old and tiny jpg-Picture of an old Hüsken's catalogue, a German dealer of Hamburg. My brother acquired this bar from Thies in 2004 well after the Hüsken's catalogue came out, but fortunately my brother saved the Hüsken pics of this bar, that it was sold WITH a named document (!!!!). Unfortunately the documents is so tiny that I can only read the name Adolf Krause... Hof... something, very likely he worked at the court of the Fürst of Schaumburg-Lippe.

Here's the composition of the bar:

• Schaumburg-Lippe Kreuz für treue Dienste am Nichtkämpferband (OEK 1256/1);

• Schaumburg-Lippe, Hausorden, goldene Verdienstkreuz, 1917-1918 (OEK 1219);
• Schaumburg-Lippe, Hausorden, silberne Verdienstkreuz, 1869-1918 (OEK 1220), Br vg (1914-1917);
• Schaumburg-Lippe, Erinnerungsmedaille an die Silberne Hochzeit, 1907 (OEK 1242).

As you can see it's the same bar we are speaking of; somebody has the entries of the Schaumburg-Lippe medals rolls? Maybe we could now more about the original owner of this singular medal bar devoted entirely to Schaumburg Lippe.

I'm eagerly waiting for your precious inputs and thank you in advance for your interest.

Best regards,

Claudio

PS: I forgot to say that the Golden Verdienstkreuz on the bar was very sparely conceded... this is a Silver gilted version not the full Golden one... that would be even rarer!

Dear forumites,

I’m also with Sascha and Laurentius here: the second order should be a Waldeck 4th class Verdienstkreuz (only 596 Verleihungen). Therefore there are good chances of this bar to be ID’ed.

cheers

C

Here von Rundstedt’s ribbon bar...

Here are mentioned the numbers of the MVO4X für Kriegsverdienst (Beamtenband) Militärverdienstorden : 544

... but wasn’t the medal bar later cannibalized? I hope not.... ?

Wow Paul! I remember you mentioned it to me some years ago. If you compare the ribbons how are folded, the position of the DA eagles it looks like it’s the bar on the picture....??

Dear forumites,

Here's a nice and rare picture I recently purchased with von Rundstedt and his bar.

I can see following orders and medals on his bar (correct or fill me in if I am wrong):
 

1. Pr EK2 1914
2. Pr HOH Kreuz der Ritter mit X
3. Bay. MVO 4X mit Krone
4. Sachsen Königreich, Albrechts-Orden RK 1. Kl. mit X
5. Lippe-Detmold, KVK 2. Klass am Band für Kämpfer
6. FEK (Hindenburg cross)
7. WH DA für 25 J.
8. WH DA für 8 J.
9. Pr Kronen Orden 4. Klasse
10. Waldeck und Pyrmont, Kreuz 4. Klasse ohne X
11. Sachsen Weimar, Weissen Falken RK 2. Kl. mit X (or 1. Kl.???)
12. SEHO RK 1st or 2nd class ???
13. Schwarzburg-Sonderhausen, Fürstl. Ehrenkreuz 3. Klasse (not sure} 
14. China Denkmünze (???), not entirely sure but almost, since I did see somewhere his ribbon bar with the China DM
15. Centenarmedaille
16. KuK MVK 3. Kl. mit KD

What do you think?

I am looking forward to your interesting opinions and inputs.

Cordially

C

Hi! I’m  not looking to identify medals or orders on the bar but the whole bar to a possible wearer. This however is not so easy...

best regards 

C

Thanks Sascha, for looking into it. It's really a very elusive bar to identify... who knows; maybe one day we will find a picture of the wearer on the net... Rick L. would have enjoyed it very much to search for it...

Cheers,

Claudio

Thank you very much... very interesting and beautiful photographs! ?

Another nice picture of Ambassador von Mackensen (from the book, Die Deutscher Generalfeldmarschälle und Grossadmiräle 1936-1945, Peter Stocker, page 21).

9 minutes ago, Great Dane said:

Beautiful bar!

I know a non-German could receive the 3 first medals on there, but could a foreigner also receive the 4th (its name eludes me...)?

the 4th medal it’s just an unofficial Weimar era award Deutsche Ehrendenkmünze des Weltkrieges , very likely it was also awarded to foreigners who volunteered as medics or Red Cross officials on the side of the Germans.

Hi,

The mounting style looks very Swedish, mounted like the German style, but with that exactly same type of metallic pin and catch and no fabric covering the reverse. That would explain the missing Ehrenkreuz for non combatants. Strange is that there isn’t a single Swedish order or medal on this bar. It could also be that this was the second bar showing only the foreign awards.

cheers

Claudio

PS: see my thread of 2009 Thread

2 hours ago, VtwinVince said:

That's a really great Schnalle, Claudio, I especially like these with 'Foreigners' on them, and to a member of this famous family is even better. But I'm confused, this is not a Godet bar, so you should send it to me....

Sure! You’re right.... ???? No Godet this time... but I had to have it since I saw it already on Thies auction in 2006, coming from the famous Seymour’s collection...

Thanks Laurentius.

Here I'm posting all the documents that the Bavarian State archives could find on him; they were extremely helpful and very efficient and sent me all these documents in PDF format on a CD.

There are some "Qualifikations-Bericht" that I can't read. Especially those of 1914 and 1913, same "shitty" hand writing... Maybe someone could help me?

Thanks in advance!

Sincerely,

Claudio

Dear forumites,

Here I would like to show you a nice complete group of an aristocratic Cavalry officer.

Decorations on the medal bar:

Photographs:

Documents (list):


    

Claudio

1 hour ago, Komtur said:

This one fits too.

You got always such nice “stuff”... and also with photographic evidence! Nice, very nice indeed! ?

Wow! ???????

That‘s quite a ribbon bar... it looks like a Godet, with mini ribbons of 1 cm of width.

When I look at this bar with the Prussian cross for war merit at the second place and all these orders I was thinking of Ludendorff...?

Great ribbon bar indeed!!!?

regards,

C

12 hours ago, Komtur said:

If you sometimes decide, to give this portrait away, I would be glad to buy it

That is what I call a SPECTACULAR medal bar... and also its picture has been found!!!! 

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Dear Komtur!!!!

Wooooooooooooooooow! That was such a wonderful surprise to read your message today early in the morning. 

After so many years a name, face and history behind a tuxedo medal bar has been finally found. That is so cool; even more because the wearer was such an elusive and rather unknown middle-rank harbor civilian official . 

Many many thanks to your extraordinary research work; not even the poor Rick Lundstrom (RIP) could unfortunately find him... you have beaten the master! Although, I think that given the research possibilities of today, Rick could have given to the collecting and researching community of German Imperial orders so much more, if he had lived longer... 

Thanks again Komtur! 

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I totally agree with Laurentius...

6 hours ago, Stogieman said:

Claudio, I love anything with a mounted Merit Order! Thanks for sharing!

Thanks Rick! You know that I saw the exactly Sto arrivando!me medal bar with the same combination of decorations and documents being sold on a German auction ? Either is this combination not unique or it was the same wearer....

Dear forumites,

I'd like to show a Saxon medal bar and its ribbon bar I bought some years ago in Germany.

Cheers,

C

Thanks Rudi! 

Some better pictures of the bar.

Enjoy!

regards,

Claudio

Thanks Dave! ??