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    ccj

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    1. PM sent.

      I collect these because I've always have a facination with the French Foreign Legion. Not enough to join, but so much that I collect French uniforms and medals and read a bit from time to time.

      learned something today.... SOUK. I'm going to remember that one :jumping:

      I'm perpetually confused on the clasps and have to refer to Hendrick's site often to date the clasp. This medal with it's clasp and the Maroc medal with it's clasp seem to overlap.

    2. Without a regimental history-- assuming there ever was one-- the only way to find a wartime regiment would be to go through the army Honor Rank List and hope to find somebody listed as CO of FAR 111. the problem with the army (as opposed to the detailed navy version) Honor Rank List is that no command DATES are listed. Somebody could have been CO for 3 years and transferred on 10 November 1918 and it would show THAT unit. Or there could be 3 officers whose last field command was that, so they would ALL say that they were the CO-- with nothing to indicate dates.

      So what have you GOT?

      Oh, still workin on ID of a very worn but still nice Kleiner Rock to an Oberst whose boards sported FAR111 signs.

      Loops for two badges. I added the ribbon in the button hole for effect... :blush:

    3. I suppose this could be cavalry Litewka, but regardless of what it is, the color of the Kragenpatten should match the underlay of the shoulder boards. That's what I get from my translation.

      In Kraus's book, about the collection of the Bavarian Army Museum, there is an artillery officer's Kleiner Rock with silver colored buttons. They should be gilt. Kraus notes this, but offers no explanations. The point being that officers just did what they wanted in many respects.

      Did anyone ever figure out what unit this rock belongs?

    4. During WWI had been awarded:

      - 364 Gold Medals Al VALOR MILITARE

      - 38.614 Silver Medals AL VALOR MILITARE

      - 60.224 Bronze Medals AL VALOR MILITARE

      Silver and Bronze medals cannot be "scarce" or "rare" becouse of such high numbers of awards !

      That's a lot of awards. I didn't figure Bronze would be rare. I know gold medals are scarce. Silver doesn't seem rare at all though people portray them as rare and dealers usually charge to much. I bought mine reasonable years ago.

      Mine was awarded to someone named

      Zanel Geovanni

      TONALE 10-12.14-G:U. 918

    5. I noticed too that the WWI issues have a crude inscription as if a little kid was doing his homework on. The examples from the mid 19th century are very fine as if they came from the mint itself. Any idea who inscribed the WWl issues and why not more skill taken into such a top bravery medal? Or was it up to the owners to inscribe their medals and have it done on the cheap...

      Sincerely

      Yankee

      I noticed this as well. In hand it looks better but its not the best quality for sure.

      I am looking for the history behind the man who was awarded the one in my collection.

    6. Thanks a lot, both of you. I greatly appreciate your opinions :cheers:

      /Mike

      It must be confusing because Lang laid out the variations like so;

      "F.G": for medals awarded from 1833 to 1859 (and especially in the 1848-49 campaign, with a very narrow suspension loop)

      "F.G" and the reverse inscription "SPEDIZIONE D'ORIENTE 1855 1856" for those awarded in the Crimean Capaign 1855-56 (also with a narrow suspension loop);

      "F.G." for the medals awarded from 1859 to 1866 (also considering the types with the reverse inscription "GUERRA CONTRO L'IMPERO D'AUSTRIA";

      "F.G." with the inscription "CAMPAGNA D'ANCONA 1860";

      "F.G." and the reverse inscription "CAMPAGNA DELL'ITALIA MERIDIONALE 1860";

      "F.G." and the reverse inscription "CAMPAGNA DELLA BASSA ITALIA 1860 -1861";

      crowned "Z" and "F.G" for the medals minted in Rome after 1880 and awarded during the whole WW1.

      crowned "Z" for the medals awarded from the 30's and during the whole WW2.

    7. Here's E Lang's post.

      http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2897...st&p=277789

      I think yours is original but according to his post your is 1930s or ealry WW2. So yours is original I think.

      crowned "Z" for the medals awarded from the 30's and during the whole WW2.

      Mine is WW1 issue.

      crowned "Z" and "F.G" for the medals minted in Rome after 1880 and awarded during the whole WW1.

    8. The mark is the crowned Z (for the Mint). According to our member Elmar Lang this means it was made in the 30s or 40s - hence my question about "originality".

      /Mike

      That's the first I've heard of the crowned Z meaning 20-30s manufacture. I've been told its the official issue and that you'll find it on issue medals during WW1 and other periods as well.

      I could be wrong but I have been told this by italian medal collectors. I would like to know if there's an expert reference on these medals in english. So far, I've not found one.

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