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Hansmeier at center

I guess I'm wrong

I can't find the bio on this man but he started ended the war as a LtdR or L...

Hansmeier

Here's a scan;

Regards

Mike

Are those yours Mike?

No he didn't.

Well, I could be wrong but if I find the photo and it shows the badge it question I want your best ribbon bar!!!

STECKKREUZ

I have a photo and a bit of history around A Landsturm or Landwher NCO who won the Schaumburg-Lippe Kruez STECKKREUZ. This is odd as I had forgotten the name of the award and how rare they were. I man I befriended in Germany some years ago had many photos and a bio on this NCO from interviews with his relatives. I can't remember the man's name, the NCO's name, or the e-mail address. I start searching for it this week.

Those were only awarded to royalty. No Prince/Duke with any name that could be read as that (? scratched on the back or ???) got one. I've got that fragment of the MISERABLE CfLSiW rolls.

What does this award look like?

Maybe something like this?

Wow, that's nice Wildcard.

Close up of the ribbon bar

Christo,

What's the hole or the hook looking thing under the loops?

small decoration of the Black Eagle Order by Godet:

Komtur,

That's the first time I've seen or heard of the Kleiner badge for the Black Eagle. Nice!

An asterik usually stands for silvered brass (or similar) and was used in Austria, so this should be an Austrian made, silvered private purchase piece - or the star was used by another, maybe German maker ...

The Hanseatic Crosses are very attractive. That's a nice one you got Micha.

I just read a interesting article.(at least to me)From what I read he got the BMVK 3 class with swords on may 9,1918.My question is;he also got the medal of miltary services 3 class

on 25.8.1918.,.Was there a reason he did not have a ribbon bar.He wore his 1st class with pride.

http://www.humanitas-international.org/sho...ts/autolett.htm

mfg Scott

AH probably only wore his EK1 and WB because they showed his combat bravery. He didn't seem to be really into medals for himself or he could have worn ribbons from Italy, German Reich and Party awards, WWI awards, and probably ribbons from many other country's that honored him with orders.

I guess nobody really would know.

I haven't seen many photos or post regarding the wear of ribbon bars with miniature devices for high classes of orders. Does anyone have such a ribbon bar in their collection or photos of this being worn. The Austrians commonly wore mini devices but I've heard Germans did also. I saw one photo of a Wurttemberg General wearing minis...

This is the standard pair for every frontline officer from W?rttemberg.

Here's another example.

I can't tell from a photo-- it was the type of awards that were the clue for me.

I like the detail of the Staff collar tab.

Notice that he is wearing his Z?hringen BACKWARDS?

Major in the Kriegsministerium or General Staff. Maybe from this combination in the Wumba or something like that?

Combat awards from Prussia and Brunswick (spectrum shift on the colors, I think-- remmeber dark blue and yellow reverse darkness in these old photos); weird Saxon and W?rttemberg war effort awards...

maybe Daniel can ID him from the WilhelmskreuzX and the pre-war BZ3bE.

In B&W photos can't tell Kriegsministerium from General Staff? I think the only difference is farben color. Am I correct or way off? I'd like to own a photo like the one is this thread. I have tow Staff major's tunics and am always looking for photos to look at uniform detail.

gentlemen, today I have a very interesting but confusing medal bar for you - unfortunately not on my desk, only the photo of the wearer.....

look at this mounting precedence with only 2 prussian awards first (EK2 and Centenarmedal), then a saxon war aid cross followed by a Baden Z?hringer Lion with oakleaves but WITHOUT swords!!! After that a W?rtemberger, a Braunschweiger, Hamburg and Austria...last but not least a turkish Liakat that is added to the bar!!!

So, in service 1897 but no long service yet...... a confusing mix of peacetime awards, non-combattant awards and combattant awards....

Please give me your comments on the bar, on the mounting of the awards and maybe you have a name for me...?!

Interesting to finally see a Staff Officer wearng the Saxon War Effort. This reminds me of my Bar that I think to be a Staff Officer's ribbon bar for a Major.

Nope, that's Kornblumenblau. Kaliblau is Prussian blue.

Chip

I need a blue chart and a red chart. I can't tell the different in the various shades.

But it's NOT an Austrian's bar -----> PRUSSIAN/REICHS XV Years Service Cross!

That is also the GERMAN China Medal. While some Germans received the Austro-Hungarian "generic" 1873 War Medal for China (last OFFICIALLY granted for there, though Robert has shown us a photo of an Austrian with one who held the German Southwest Africa Medal 1904/06--must have been a unique "final" one!! ), I have never seen an Austrian with the German medal for China...

and an Austrian in China would have had said 1873 War Medal but NEVER a Prussian long service award.

Ergo, a German's second row.

Rick, your a darn good medal bar detective.

I have TWO of the Baron's ribbon bars.

Two is one too many!

I'd say yours WILL BE identifiable, without question. Daniel has been slaving on the HOH3X lists, Seeheld has been doing Mecklenburg-Schwerin's (that is what is 2nd, an "MK2"-- and this officer would absolutely have had the pinback "MK1"). 4th is (booooo hissssssssss) the Strelitz Cross for Distinction in War (don't even ask. ) and last is Bremen.

That excites me. I wish like heck I had the research materials you fellows have.

Rick, let's trade for a few years...

So, which two of the three are on my bar? Surely this bar can be ID'd. It's a bit unique with the combo

1---- Prussian Iron Cross 2nd Class

----- Mecklenburg-Schwerin Military Merit Cross

----- Mecklenburg-Strelitz Cross for Distinction in War

----- Mecklenburg House Order of the Wend Crown

3---- Prussian Hohenzollern House Order 3rd Class with Swords

5----- Bremen Hanseatic Cross

I understand the precedence here.. it appears that the Merit cross took precedence over orders as the EK2 took precedence over orders.

So, why is this ribbon bar assembled in this order?

Mecklenburg-Schwerin?s regulations per 27 April 1905 were:

1---- Prussian Iron Cross 2nd Class

2---- Mecklenburg-Schwerin Military Merit Cross

3---- Mecklenburg-Strelitz Cross for Distinction in War

4---- Mecklenburg House Order of the Wend Crown

5---- Mecklenburg Order of the Griffin

6---- Mecklenburg Lifesaving Medal

7---- Mecklenburg Military Service Cross for Officers (defunct)

8---- Mecklenburg-Strelitz Military Service Cross for Officers (defunct)

9---- Prussian Hohenzollern House Order 3rd Class with Swords

10-- Prussian Red Eagle Order 3rd and 4th Classes with Swords

11-- Prussian Crown Order 3rd and 4th Classes with Swords

12-- Prussian Gold Military Merit Cross

13-- Prussian/Reichs Military Decoration 1st Class (silver cross)

14-- Prussian/Reichs Military Decoration 2nd Class (silver medal)

15-- Prussian Lifesaving Medal

16-- Prussian Hohenzollern House Order 3rd Class on statute ribbon

17-- Prussian Red Eagle Order 3rd and 4th Classes on statute ribbon

Charles,

If it is a Train officer board, then it would be difficult to differentiate. The earlier Train underlay was a pale blue. This appears more like the darker Kaliblau, which was used later. So I would vote for the it being a Friedensrock piece.

Chip

Does that translate to cornflower blue?

Here are Oberst Sproesser's awards as listed in the 1924 Reichsheer Rangliste.

Regards

Glenn

Can you translate? I'm not fluent.

Your talents never cease to amaze me

No desire to keep that ribbon bar any longer huh!