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Hi Charles,

I think so because the regulation about the Turkish War medal : to be wore on the right side of the uniform. I remember one photo of Immelmann wearing his TWM just under his ribbon bar (see in O'Connor tome 3). The regulation is one thing. The officer can do a little like they want, remember they were officers.

Christophe

This photo?

Here a Prussian Staff officer Kleiner Rock.

Bulgarian Bravery Order IV Class, Grade I on right breast

EKI and Lippe-Detmold Officer's Cross on left breast

HHO on war ribbon original to tunic. All loops original also.

Hussar Rgt 17 cap, can't find a Prussian Generals Staff fieldgrey visor.

Show us the Voirschlag. Don't make us beg.

What about Hesse?

It is what is incorrectly called the 'Turkish War Medal' (and other things).

Oh, I've never heard the correct name. How does that translate to english?

I suspect Germans wore the Harp Madalyasi 1915-22 (CE) wherever they wanted to. I doubt the issuing authority complained much.

I'm not sure what the Harp Madalyasi 1915-22 is? Can you show a picture.

Hi Christophe,

Is it personal preference as to where someone placed the Turkish War Medal?

Great Stuff indeed.

What about Hesse? How were Bravery medals and War Honor Decorations in Iron handled? Could an NCO or Feldwebel-Lieutnant be awarded the War Honor in Iron without having an EKI?

by gauost

I am looking for photos of Germans wearing foreign awards and the various methods for wear.

I've seen a few photos of the Turkish War Medal worn on the left breast. Were there regs for these awards? Also, I'd like to see how most of the Bulgarian decorations were worn. I think the only two foreign breast awards I seen in wear are the Turkish War Medal and the Bulgarian Bravery Order.

These used to come out every time the Official Price Guides did, but apparently haven't been printed in years. This is the ONLY source for ALL imperial German ribbons:

Do you need my address?

And here he is: a vet of 1870/71 on a post 1891 photo, his MVP - back then just one class, silver with golden medallions, blue enemaled - updated with swords:

Now I'm confused. I didn't realize there were three ribbon types and swords could be worn with all three. I thought one was peacetime and one wartime. I need to find my ribbon chart again. I lost it last year. Are there any books available that correctly show all Imperial German state ribbons?

Is the below site's ribbon chart accurate?

http://www.bundesverdienstorden.de/

Why is the Austrian ribbon in 3rd place?

So there is no combination we can look for, currently.

That's a darn shame. To be honest, I never thought any bar would be identifiable until I found the forums. Having a photo showing a bar in wear that matches one in hand was the only way I thought possible.

When are your roll books going to be ready? I'm ready...

With only freakish exceptions, blue backing turns out to be navy.

2nd bar has too many variables, and again, too many awards with no ROLLS done.

2nd ribbon normally would be a KO4X-- which for CHINA 1900 (4th ribbon) and NO 1897 Centenary is hardly possible. (Officers that junior were not normally selected to go.) If it is a WW1 HOH3X without the usual crown over the Xs, I find no match-- but then 20% of the Hohenzollerns were never gazetted. It is also possible that the China was a stay-at-home steel medal--neither were shown in Prussian or Navy Rank Lists.

5th ribbon's unauthorized wear indicates a Protestant Johanniter Order (probably) so a "von Somebody." If it was a Catholic Malta of one version or other it'd be back among the foreigns--but even that rule is not followed here.

6th ribbon = God knows what, since what is on there is actually the ribbon for the Baden Veterans Association Medal. That hardly seems credible, but for no apparent reason whatsoever, period outfitters seem never to have had the right ribbon for either the 1902 or 1906 Baden Jubilee Medals-- I suspect this is supposed to be the latter.

7th ribbon for SMK-- Roll done and complete, but unable to match any recipient with the variables and missing data here for other awards.

8th ribbon cannot tell if a round wreath device is missing for an ?M3K (generic combatant officer), or if it never had a device (in which case most likely a Franz Joseph Order on war ribbon = doctors, usually). This should be last as a foreign award, not ahead of Brunswick and Hamburg.

Despite all our work, there are still MORE GAPS THAN ROLLS for wartime awards with no known rolls, if the officers did not continue on into Reichswehr service:

This particular 1 1/2 sets of sew-ons (2 rows and bottom row--also have a pinback top row)

is the most extreme example from my collection.

With 13 wartime awards-- 6 of which have Rolls for the Orders that are at least 80% complete and a 7th Order whose Roll exists in the Archive but no one has got or is doing--

cannot be identified.

Now that would seem to defy all statistical odds, wouldn't it? That with 6 Rolls done, this "sextet" doesn't leap right out? At least 2 of the 6 do not, because in endless attempts at combinations, no more than 4 in many different combinations from among the 6 can be found, and with those multiple 4-matchers, no verification can be made for any of the OTHER awards, because those have NO Rolls and this officer vanishes from published Rank Lists after 1914-- when he didn't have ANY of these.

Yes. 3 AM, pacing the floor. Year after year.

Rick, I do like that ribbon bar. I've only seen one that large in period photos.

My bavarian bar. i may be the only guy who has bars with the black ribbon of the Malta or Johannitor orders.

One of my favorites. Black ribbon but the backing isn't blue. It's gray so I'm sure its army. Maybe a staff officer.

The second ribbon bar is missing the wreath on the Austrian ribbon. I bought this one several years back from forum member. This one has been discussed because but I don't recall the 6th ribbon has ever been mentioned as a vererans medal.

Interesting. I have three or four bar with black ribbons. One is bavarian.

Question

Should the 1st ribbon bar have a crown with red enamel on the Red Eagle Order ribbon?

Eugen Duerr/D?rr,

Major 21.2.1911

Hptm in IR 74 in 1908,

Adjutant at the Reichsmilit?rgericht in 1913 (with the uniform of IR 74), What does this mean? Uniform of...

IR 27 in 1914 Was he a Major or Oberst?

He died on 10.9.1918 in Bad Oeynhausen. What unit?

BTW, I have another with blue back and I'm not sure its Navy. I think its Army.

Shouldn't the Centenary Medal be listed?

It matches Duerr's prewar awards:

Oh, I forgot about the ue spelling instead of ?. Maybe that's him. Ii's hard to know for sure unless there's a wartime or post war listing for D?rr

That's super.

My understanding is that it may be ID'd to Oberstleutnant D?rr from I.R. Nr. 27. I can't find him though. I don't have the resources to verify it I guess.

Right over left... left over right...

???