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Hello forumites,

today I got this pic of a person in a general rank with the rare red cross medal 1. class. I have only seen one other foto of a person decorated with this (Generalstabsarzt der Armee von Schjerning). May be this is a high ranking medical officer too?

Greetings, Komtur.

Terrific photo.

Beautiful uniform Charles. A pleasure for my eyes

This uniform has a name or not. With historical regiment unit you can easily find the name of all the Feldwebel-Leutnant. A great research for you my friend.

Regards

Christophe

No name,

I did see maker's label inside. I need to look at it again because I can't remember the name.

OOOOH,

COME ON!

Nice lid! The "Reichspatent" visors were made using the Pek?ro licensed Stirndruckfrei method - you can always tell by the black felted cap band. These were a lower-end private-purchase visor, but they are very similar in quality to the Pek?ro's. I have always liked these caps as they have a great shape to them.

Don

I agree, and the cap has a very nice worn look to it. This would look great with a field tunic on a torso.

Chances are he was a Leutnant dR in the First war and back as a Hauptmann dR in the Second.

I'll trade you for an all Imperial bar with a Thuringian order

Frighteningly enough, I can. It's a good clerical hand.... just written out in the original by somebody who obviously worked full time engraving The Lord's Prayer on grains of rice at carnivals.

Amazing how many of your magnificent enamelled and insanely fragile Cross were awarded to NCOs--37! I can NOT see them scrambling out of trenches in full infantry gear wearing one of these-- so they must have put them away carefully in whatever case they were presented in.

Lovely to look at, but NOT well designed for combat operations!

I agree totally. Just think, if you were an NCO with one of these you'd have been HOT SH*T in your Regiment! I'd darn sure want to go on leave to show off.

I'm sure this would be too expensive to have another for wear. I'm not even sure one couldn't have been purchased.

I really can't tell if the Bavarian ribbon has swords that used to be silver or if they are brass. I assume this is a bar to a WW1 enlisted man or NCO recalled for service.

Rick L wil know..........

Here's a ribbon bar I bought from a forum member a few years back. I forgot I had it and discovered it on a Reich Third tunic in my closet yesterday. I just bought a new bar for this tunic not knowing I already had this one.

Am I getting old?

Noooooo problems. Great officer's bar in an unusual style with a scarce WW1 award!

I like that bar. I'm a big fan of the Brunswick Bew?hrungsabzeichen.

I have a bar too that I'll dig out to show.

I can make out the header and the dates... Nothing else.

I have uploaded and posted elsewhere on this forum a Stammliste for members of FR90 which includes their decorations. I ran through that and found three close matches (4 out of 5 ribbons) but no 5 for 5s.

Regarding regiments, I put together a database of the composition of all infantry regiments. I searched for Bremen and the two Mecklenburgs in the same regiment, and IRs 362, 463, and 464 were the best matches.

GR89 and LIR76 are the main joint Schwerin/Strelitz units.

Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 90, Mecklenburg-Schwerin's reserve regiment, probably also had Strelitzers, but I'm not certain. All three of its battalions were raised in Mecklenburg-Schwerin. Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 266, a wartime-raised Mecklenburg-Schwerin reserve regiment, also might have had Strelitzers. Neither had a Bremen connection.

You built the database your self? Sounds like a good deal of work. Thanks for the help. I'll search for the Stammliste FR90

What a beauty! And with 366 awarded (minus 1 replaced by a subsequent award "with brilliants") I would say don't do ANYTHING to it.

The complete roll will be in my Saxe-Weimar 1914-1919 volume which Daniel is slaving over final editing on right now.

Another set of Rolls I need...

So each police officer had his own number of his Gorget? I've never seen one of these.

Well,

Here's my favorite decoration. I consider myself fortunate to find this medal. The only problem is someone once had a sticker on the reverse over the date and it was scratched by whomever removed it.

How can I remove the glue and make the area look better?

Well done Charles,

It is for

Saxe Weimar Hausorden von Weissen Falken

Christophe

Sweet! great conditon too

Here's mine. Not as shiny as yours but I'm happy

Charles knows my hobby and I know he loves the same hobby too

1)Sachsen-Ernest. Hausorden

or

2)Karl-Eduard Medaille

or

3)Saxe-Weimar Hausorden von Weissen Falken

NOT and Saxe-Weimar Wilhelm-Ernst Kriegs-Kr.

Some form of Red Eagle?

An awards from the Thuringian states

I think you mean Mecklenburg-Schwerin's Military Merit Cross (Milit?rverdienstkreuz), not the Friedrich Franz Cross, a war aid decoration.

Regarding possible regiments, you can rule out FR90. The closest matches there are only to four out of five.

Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 362, Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 463 and Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 464 included all three states - both Mecklenburgs and Bremen - so those regiments are possibilities. But Hanseatic Crosses went to lots of people with indirect connections to the three cities, so joint Schwerin/Strelitz units like Grenadier-Regiment Nr. 89 and Landwehr-Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 76 are also possibilities.

Where do you guys find this information so FAST

Charles:

Very interesting rank and insignia on a very scarce tunic! Congratulations!

Dave

Thanks, I'm very please with the set. If I get better with the camera and image sizing I'll post more images of the tunic and trousers. I need a Hessen Infantry visor cap now... who has one to spare?

Here's one of my favorite bars

Prussian EKII

Mecklenburg-Schwerin Windish Crown ??

HHO

Mecklenburg MK

Bremen BH

This one surely can be traced to the original owner.

Webr55,

You are an astute researcher. You must have a wonderful library of materials...

Hmm...

I doublechecked it, and I'm not saying it is him, but I found only one (!) suspect with this combination in the 1932 army RL: A certain

Hauptmann Kurt M?ller, #1.1.1923, in the Reichswehrministerium.

There were two Generals Kurt M?ller, but he is none of them. So I don't know what became of that Kurt.

Of course, there are other possibilities, a General with police service, for example.

Hauptmann Kurt M?ller, does anyone have a photo of this man? Thanks for the lead. Is Reichswehrministerium the War Ministry?

Charles,

Another question for you. Do both of the lions on the collar disks face the same direction? As I recall, the Hessians did not have a right and a left like the Bavarians.

Chip

Chip,

You are correct aobut the collar disk, both are the same.

Chris,

I am guessing that the Karpathenkorps guy is from the 257.FAR from the 200.Division. I also like the Fahenschmied insignia on his sleeve.

Chip

Great work Chip. You really ID units well....

Hessen NCO Disk. COOL!