Franken75

You may not forget, that only some of the the rebuilded third classes have that white enamel in the loops of the buckle at the bottom of the enameled ring around the center. If a bad person will take a second class and only gilt it then you have a very nice looking center

I`m sure you mean one third class with crown and swords in silver gilt (beauty) and one 4th class with crown with front med. made out of gold (also beauty) A very nice Spange

Normally in a forum like this there should be a friendly tone and not so arrogant. For replying to my person I would like: Mr President or Mein F?hrer MfG

Even more so when they have just joined or posted very little on the forum. Believe me I don`t want to do more posts after this friendly welcome. I think it`s not Gentleman like to get a salutation like " Dear Sir " Let me say with the Words from old Fritz: Suum Cuique

Sorry for waisting your time Best Regards

I think the " unlike some who offers a comment" means me, why should I post a picture when you have posted your nice Original second classes MVKs look at these ones, look at the enamel and you will see what I mean. It is correct that privat purchased MVKs from the 20s with double enameled medalions exist(made by Godet) but your first classes are manipulated third classes.

Hello Haynau, yes you know what I am talking about, militaria0815 has also my opinion because he also collects Bavarian Orders for a very long time and knows well about the bad things which are since twenty years on the market(first flea market later Internet), Kev I?m sorry that you don`t understand what I?am talking about you can think what you want but I only wanted to help to stop copys and manipulations going around. The things I have written about these MVKs is not only a Opinion it is fact . The MVK from Haynau is a very nice early(1914-16) piece with an three part center Medallion made of pure gold.

Hello Gentlemen, sorry but the MVK first Class with crown and swords which is shown here is an (without any doubt) modified third class with crown and swords made by Leser, only one little reason is that the belt buckle of the front emblem from an original first or second class would be never full enamelled. Look at the belt buckles of the two nice Original second classes with crown and X and with X shown by Kev( the two pieces was made by Gebr. Hemmerle after 1917). But also the the first class with swords from Kev is handycrafted in originality it was an normally third class made by Deschler, the third class wihout swords iin its originality was an third class with swords made by Leser. Sorry for that bad news and please excuse my poor English I could explain better in German Regards

The third class MVO with swords was produced until 1917 in pure gold and after in silver but gildet(I hope this is the word for "vergoldet") The examples silver gildet are made in the same way as these ones made of pure gold. The way of producing was more complicated than the production of MVO 4. Class(and there are some big differences between). The Order shown here is without any doubt an MVO 4.Class which was gildet some short time ago to reach an higher price. Best Regards