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Hallo Kevin, of course it could be replaced in old times(maybe a mark from the Jeweler)

That one you have posted now is a Weiss&Co

I saw this cross on Ebay too, but the mark in the ring does not make any sense, the cross is a late Hemmerle. Best regards

Hello, the MVO Ritter 1, changed in 1905 to the MVO 3. Class(the design doesen`t change), and the Ritter 2(made out of Gold no flames between the arms) changed into the MVO 4. class But this piece from the club is not worth to buy, like all his other stuff.An original Ritter 2 looks completely different.

Hello Avadski, nice cross it is the same maker like your first post, also Deschler Regards

Hallo avadski, the maker is Deschler. Regards

No totally fakes, but 4.Classes which were later gilded to realize more money.

Because the second MVO and the Luitpolt Medal are pure Peace-time awards. At first he wears his War-time Awards, then the long service Awards, then the third Reich Awards and last and unfortunately at least his Peace-time Awards. I also do not like to see those nice and rare MVO?s in this position. Some Wehrmacht Officers don`t wore their Jubilee Medal on their Medal Bar(Maybe no Bavarian Patriots)

Some good guys want to let him pay very high charges to ebay,I think this is a very good idea to stop this criminal.

The Maker is Hemmerle Regards

That one from Ulsterman is by mine humble Opinion a doubtless Original Made by Hemmerle so wait before pushing orders into saltwater or doing any other bad things to them.

Can you also send a picture from the back ? Looks like Hemmerle.

Can you send a picture from the backside, I have to say again that gilded MVK1X exist and that one does not look bad.

Yes, that are a few important points for a center made out of gold, the one piece centers are a few more thin, like the silver ones. The best is if you have a Original in your hand that will say more than pictures. But don`t forget that gilded MVK1X also exist(again other criteria), but gilded ones with crown do not exist. Regards

Chris sent the link in that Threat where you have posted your nice Luftwaffenspange with the nice Hemmerle MVK2KrX. And you can also find it in the Datenbank from the mff.This thread was started in 28. Dec.07 Regards

Ciao Claudio, the man who sells this upgraded ones(I know him too) in my eyes he is an criminal, destroying nice Originals(given to brave men ,even if its a MVK 3.ClassX) and sell them for rare pieces. Some times ago there was an nice early(colonial) MVO 4b downgraded as an MVK first type also destroyed by this b....rd. When I write anything in a forum I only want to stop these manipulated pieces going around. I must correct you because the early types from Leser(1913-1916) have not a multi piece center construction, but a one piece center made out of pure gold when you look again the pictures in the mff look at the the last MVK1X made by Leser with the Beamtenband, these pictures demonstrate very good how a early real gold(one piece) center from Leser must look like(very fine and a little bit like 3D). There is also a picture of an Original MVK first class with crown and swords made by Leser with exactly the same center. Sammlerchris posted this one a few threds ago.

By early I mean the early types from WW1, the MVK with crown was founded in 1913. This MVK is about 1917 and unfortunately now I`m absolutely sure that it was later gilded. Why do you think the center is made out of pure gold ? Regards

Can you make better pics from the lion at the backside. Maybe after I can tell you more. Regards

This MVK with crown and swords is made by Leser, but unfortunately in its Original it was an MVK 2.Class with crown and swords which was later gilded. Leser did those first classes with crown and swords too, but there exist only early types with the front side center made out of pure gold.

Very, very nice bar, with an nice MVK made by Hemmerle. I`m sure you know that the MVK is OK A generally Paranoia in MVKs is absolutely causeless, you only have to be a little bit carefull about the first classes, MVO 4.class without swords and colonial types. Regards

it`s a nice doubtless Original piece made by Jacob Leser Straubing awarded about 1917-19

Originally it was a MVK third class with crown and swords made by Weiss & Co. Another destroyed medal. Regards

PS: I'm still looking for a good(!) MMO 4th class without swords. If someone has one he doesn't need anymore, this nice MMC might leave me ... I hope it might leave only in direction francony, sometime I hope to have something real nice from Baden than I will submit you an Offer that you will not cut off .

With" front med. made out of gold" I meant of course the 4. Class with crown from the Preussen Spange.

Not to forget the foto under the Spange with the two MVOs, this is also a nice example of a 3.Class with crown and swords(silver gilt) also made by Hemmerle the same type like on the Spange with the two MVOs.