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Rich,it looks like(on both Eks).So....I think these Eks are a bit younger as some of us thought! In my opinion we can date them into the late20ies,early 30ies. The pin is unique at '14 Eks,and this kind of frosting can also be found on the "Deumer" variations. The core is a typical example of Meybauer/Godet hardware and of high quality-so totally different to all the other Eks we have put into the same timeframe. Micha

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Sometimes you need a little luck-this one is really an upgrade in my collection! Textbook Godet/Meybauer core,just a little rust at the date....a fine private purchased Ek! Micha

Yes,this is my only non combatant medal bar -@Ulsteman: The seller told me that this is the bar of Dr.Franz Emil Wittichen. Micha

My only Nichtk?mpfer....

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Well,K.M. is the 2nd class from K.M.S.t! You just have to compare the core! Micha

The most lists that can be found at the internet are a bit......obscure! Wishful thinking in the best case.....! fact is-"KO" has got nothing to do with the "berliner M?nzamt"! And K.M.S.t is the "k?nigliches M?nzamt Stuttgart(according to Uwe Bretzendorfers research in the local archives).So "KO" is still absolutely unknown! Micha

Master lol! No,I'm at home this week(6 days holliday from last year have to be spend). K.M.S.t. seems to be " K?nigliches M?nzamt Stuttgart(uwe Bretzendorfer told me that they made around 6000 1st classes-he has spend a lot of times in the archives so I think this is prooved). KO-the most common maker of all '14 Eks is still absolutely unknown! Fact is,the "Berliner M?nze" never made 1914 iron crosses! Micha

This question is not so easy to answer-you can find the major makers with and without silver content stamp. The majority of all 2nd classes is definitely without a silver content stamp! And a few are stamped only with this stamp,no other maker mark! The value...well,if you are watching the Ebay battlefield you will see that collectors are willing to pay an extra "bonus" for those EKs. So this question could be answered with yes. Micha Edit: In my oppinion nearly all 2nd class crosses have been awarded! just the hollow ones(sheet metal) or the unmagnetic ones(20/30ies) are private purchased. The blued core examples I would also call a rivate purchse!

Reverse So....what do we have here? Yes,a "WS" type1! An awarded piece? hard to tell(don't forget the vaulted example...) What if "WS"(we belive it's Wagner,but we can't proof it) never made own EKs? If they just bought them complete(or may be they bought the parts) from a "major manufacturer"? Well,speculations,of course. Fact is-this "800" marked Ek could easy be an awarded one! Micha

I also know this page-Have you ever seen a 1st class "WILM"? Or a "Deschler","N" or an "A"?? So much about lists.We still can't identify the most of the EK makers......To come back the the silver content markings-the best example of an awarded piece with an "800" mark on the back is the famous "CD 800"! I've seen a lot of complete WW1 groupings including awards,documents and stuff like the dog tag or shoulderboards wich included a "CD 800" in the case together with the cardbox. In general the vaulted pieces are private purchased! My oppinion....The majority of EKs with a silver content stamp are vaulted.But not all-so.... My maker list of awarded iron crosses 1st class: (All flat,no screwbacks-never!!) CD 800 Fr Fr W (only a few pieces known,not confirmed in a complete group) FR G H.B.G. WS (in box) WS (engraved) JWS (only a few pieces known,not confirmed in a complete group) K.A.G. KO S-W We There is (of course) a "grey zone" with unmarked or just with a silver content marked Eks(flat!!) Here is one of these examples-the most common "standart core"...I've gt also the vaulted variation!

That's an interesting one-definitely from the 20ies.The screw/washer are added....my theory-if the hallmark is Latvian the cross could be sold there by a local jeweler who also replaced the attachment parts.But....there's no silber! But for sure an EK that I would add to my collection without any problems! Micha

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Looks like this one to me.....

I'm late here-sorry! The fat frame......is there a mark on the eye ring? I wouldn't take this one as a "good" '13! For me it looks like a put together. Micha

These numbers are silver content markings.I wouldn't say that only private purchased Eks have them-the most "common" piece that could be an awarded one is the "800" on a "Godet" type Ek! Of course the casted,flat variation. Or remember the "KO 800",The "K.A.G." 800" and some others. But of course there's no safe way to tell which one was awarded and which one was simply bought as an replacement. Micha

Classical "Deumer" piece.Timeframe 1920/30ies. Original awarded piece-no.Private purchased after the war. Comes in a lot of variations-Flat,vaulted,magnetic,non magnetic and with a big range of pins and screws. Micha

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Another old one-the medal itself is a very nice example with the "C" or "U" at the eye ring. The ribbon is a bit strange-in hand it's feels like thin,stiff cotton. The colour has faded out,but this is hard to see on the pics.If I look at the inner part of the ribbon I can see the difference. The whole thing is sewn on the medal with a different ribbon(looks like the ribbon for a mini-but not the KDM NC one...) So I think the ribbon is old,but not old enough to be the original one to the medal. Micha

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