Alex K

Hi, attached is an example of a rarther odd KWK11, compared with a known original. This was posted by me a while back on the AHF forum, the consensus is that its a fake. My question is if it is a fake, did the fakers really screw up? . I would have thought that if they were going to fake the piece they could at least get it to resemble an actual award. It's not a casting but die struck and is completely flat. A second one subsequently turned up from a forum member in Canada, together with the same piece of (Incorrect) ribbon. sorry about the scan, but the real one doesn't actually look like that colour any comments Regards

Congratulations, a most interesting and informative post regards Alex

Hi gentlemen thats the correct number, so my understanding is that it's pre 1945 and not a Panasiuk post war replacement. Thanks for the information, most helpful regards

Hi Leigh thanks for the links, the first site photo's although small seem to suggest that it is a pre-war original, but I'm sure someone will correct me!! regards Alex

I have in my collection an example of the Polish order Virtuti Militari, 5th class; I have always considered this to be an authentic piece. Some basic research indicates that this award is in fact is rare, if totally pre war original. Does anyone know if this is a pre-war original or post war Panasiuk replacement for an original, and if it is, does that make it a fake? thanks .

Hi These are displayed at the RAF Museum at Hendon London together with uniform and other awards attached regards

joe agree entirely, from what I've experienced ww11 rattlers are invariably early pieces when quality control or the tight regulations of the LDO weren't about. attached the early W & L 100 stamped ek11

hi gentlemen, and firstly a thanks to Kev in Deva for introducing myself and my EK1 to the forum. As explained, I have had this for a number of years and unfortunately the pictures really don't do it justice in terms of quality and workmanship, I thought personally that I'd not seen one before but delving into the old memory cells, I recall downloading a photo (For research purposes only!) a photo last year from a dealers web site unfortunately can't remember which. I honestly thought that mine was a Jewellers one-off piece, as can be seen from the attached it's not so there must be more out there, although maybe few and far between, it really is a piece of jewellery. Thanks regards Alex

Hi, Actually I have two genuine EK11 39-45 which do rattle 1 is made by Wahtler & Lange and the other one excapes me for the moment, both are genuine. The W& L one is an early war piece, possibly before the LDO got in there, I don't know regards Alex