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Hi Nicholas, Again many thanks for the detailed explanation ! I think that finally we have solved the mystery and this for what appear from the photo of the General with his ribbons, I attached below. As you the same can see the ribbon that I have indicated with a 'red arrow' is - without any doubt left - that of the Greek War Cross 1916-17 (it is black with two edge stripes of a more clear colour) and moreover it follows the ribbon of the Italian War Cross. Do you confirm it ? Many Thanks Best Regards Lilo

Hi Nicholas, Many thanks for the time you spent to answer my question : much appreciated ! According Gen. Baistrocchi's military papers : - He started WW1 as a Lieutenant Colonel in the Artillery; - He left Italy for fighting in ALBANIA on 30th Dec. 1915; - On Feb. 1916 in ALBANIA He was appointed Commander of a mixed Group (I presume Artillery + Infantry); - He returned to Italy from ALBANIA on 31st May 1916; - He was appointed Colonel on 3rd August 1916; - He finished the WW1 fighting in Italy and as a Brigadier General. For what above reported, if you include the territory of ALBANIA and the military operations there made, in the 'Balkan Front' than He fought there but let me point out something else that could be important to let you confirm (or correct) what Greek award our General received later in his life : 1) Baistrocchi wasn't part of the Italian contingent that was part of the properly called 'Armee d'Orient' that was formed later in the war and well after Baistrocchi left ALBANIA (1916); 2) He, as a Commanding Officer (Lt. Col.) of a group, participated in the fighting on the ALBANIA but not as a 'Senior' Officer; 3) He received the Greek 'War Cross' many years later (on 10th July 1935) from the end of WW1; 4) BAISTROCCHI received the Greek award when he was an undersecretary at the War Ministry in Italy by the hands of the Greek War Minister; 5) Last but not the least, didn't the Greek War Cross 1916-17 stopped to be awarded in the later 1920's ? Hope that you can establish at last and with a good grade of certainty which was the Greek arward conferred upon the General. Best Regards Lilo P.S. From His military papers :

Dear All, I'm studing the medal entitlement of a very important and High Ranking Italian military Officer that is General Federico BAISTROCCHI (1871-1947). Within his military papers, where all his medal entitlement is reported, there is the following entry that I have literally translated as : - 'Decorated with the WAR CROSS of 1° class, awarded by His Excellency the Greek War Minister, mentioned in the Order of the Day dated 10th July, 1935'. After a conspicuous search on the web/forums I'm not still able to correctly identify this Greek War Cross also considering (and bearing in mind) the period in which it was awarded that is 1935 so I assume the name 'War Cross' was incorrectly used to describe a similar decoration. In July 1935 Gen. BAISTROCCHI was an undersecretary at the War Ministry. I would like to ask the very knowledge members of this forum – especially those well deep in the Greek medal system - to solve this mystery. Last, if the exact identification is impossible, at least I would like to know which should be the most probable award this person obtained considering his position at the War Ministry and the year of the award (1935). Many Thanks in advance for your Help and Time Best Regards Lilo

Hi Brian, I'm sorry but I'm afraid that It was me that bought the medal from the scottish dealer, beating you on time. I don't know how much could it be important for you but below is the medal in question that now reside in my collection (I too have searched it for many years). Best Regards Lilo

Hi All, I would like to receive your help to confirm or not the possible award of two Japanese Orders (the Rising Sun and Sacred Treasure) to an Italian Army Officer that was attached, as Army attaché, to the Imperial Japanese Army during the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-05. The name of this Officer was CAVIGLIA Enrico (1862-1945) that, at the end of his military career, became an Italian Field Marshal. I'm sure that for his service during the Russo-Japanese war this officer received the Japanese "Russo-Japanese War Medal.1904-05". What I would like to know is if He also received the Rising Sun or the Sacred Treasure or both (as I believe). My believing came from the study of similar medal groups of various foreign persons that were Naval or Army attaché to the Imperial Japanese Army during the Russo-Japanese war : for what I know, all received both the Orders. So my 1st question is : Am I correct in retaing that also CAVIGLIA received both the Rising Sun and the Sacred Treasure ? If not so, which was the most probable, between them, that he received ? At that time He had the rank of Major in the Italian Army so which CLASS of these/this Order/s did he received : the 3rd or the 2nd ? Many thanks in advance for any help you could give to my search (also a simple guess is very appreciated !) All the Best Lilo

Dear All, I would like to ask your help to try to correctly identify what is the exact medal an Italian national received from Roumania. The person of which I'm searching the full medal entitlement is the Italian Luigi RIZZO, that was an Italian naval Officer employed within the Danube Commission : http://en.wikipedia....nube_Commission . In the biography I'm reading about him, I read that in 1913 from the Rumanian Government He received a GOLD medal for Civil Valour for having saved lives in a shipwreck. As unfortunately this medal is NOT well identified, can someone give me his help, please ? Many Thanks in advance Best Regards Lilo P.S. : also a guess is really appreciated.

Many thanks to all. Effectively the medal could be Dutch or Belgian (??). I'll post my question in the appropriate part of the forum. Regards Lilo

Hi Kim Many thanks for your help : very much appreciated ! Regards Lilo

Details of the Medals

Hi All, I would like tohave your help to correctly identify some of the foreign Medals/Orders the WW1 Italian General Francesco BELLOTTI is wearing on the photo (dated 1927) below: A) The high resolution photo shows a Neck Badge and a Breast Star of the Danish Order of Dannebrog (see nr. 1) : Is it possible to establish : 1) which type 2) when it was awarded and 3) which class is the Order of Dannebrog ? B) Is the Neck Badge (see nr. 3) that of the 'Sweden Order of the Sword' ? Which class is it ? C) Last, but the most important, to which country belongs the medal (see nr. 2) that has the head of what I presume is a Queen and that it is suspended from a 'Crown' and looks like to be in silver ? Could it be Swedish, Danish of what ? Is it possible to correctly identify what this medal is for ? Many Thanks in advance for your precious Help. Best Regards Lilo

Why ?

Hi Iver, I believe that your reasoning is correct ! In fact, in one point of the list it is reported the award received by Fukushima and in another point the class of this same award . Many Thanks Regards Lilo

Hi Iver, Thanks for your answer but unfortunately I think that it could be a different award. I'm saying this because the award you mention is also listed some point after that of 'Grand Star of Austria'. You can see the list I'm reporting below : On page 225 of "The Golden Kite" is a chapter pertaining to the decorations and medals of General Fukushima which consist of the following, listed in no specific order: Grand Cordon Order of the Golden Kite Grand Cordon Order of the Rising Sun Grand Cordon Order of the Sacred Treasure French Legion of Honor, Officer Rank Order of the Golden Kite Fourth Class Belgian Order of Leopold Cross, Fourth Class Grand Star of Austria Japanese Order of Merit, Second Order Order of the Golden Kite, Third Class Order of the Sacred Treasure, Sixth Class Order of the Iron Crown with War Wreath Breast Star, Knight Commander, Order of the Bath Commander, Order of Albert Star, Saxony Bavaria, Order of Military Merit, Commander Prussia, Order of the Red Eagle, Second Class, with Swords Germany, Order of the Red Eagle, Third Class Montenegro, Order of Denillo, Third Class, Commander Are you agree or they are one and the same award ?? Regards Lilo

Hi All, I would like to have your help to correctly identify what was called ''Grand Star of Austria'' that is one of the decoration awarded to Japanese General Fukushima. You can find a list of his awards here : http://gmic.co.uk/in...0&gopid=408243& It is the only award still not identified, by me at least ! Also a guessing of what this award can be, considering the period in which this general lived (across XIX and beginning of XX century), is well accepted. Many thanks in advance Regards Lilo

Hi Paul, Many thanks Lilo

Hi all, in the list Richard posted at the start of this thread, there were 2 medals that I was not able to identify. They are : - Grand Star of Austria; - Japanese Order of Merit, Second Order. Can some kind soul, post a photo to let me know how they look like ? Many thanks for any help you can give. Regards Lilo

US Medal of Honour winner Thomas Croft Neibaur P.S. Hi Daniel, I hope you don't mind if I re-posted these photos here.

Hi Bovec, again many tanks : it is a very interesting guessing, indeed ! As a further testimony of the use of the 1st type of ribbon (i.e. pre 1895) for this medal, I have below attached another photo (WW1 period) of an American, this time, from which you can easily see the 3 colours of the ribbon used for the medal in question. The man to which the medal rack belongs is the US Medal of Honour winner Thomas Croft Neibaur whose relative (a member of this forum by name of Daniel Cole) has posted the photos on this forum at : http://gmic.co.uk/in...=1&#entry130214 and at : http://gmic.co.uk/in...=1&#entry313572 Regards Lilo

D'Annunzio ribbons showing the 3 colours ribbon I presume for the Montenegro Bravery medal.

Hi Bovec, Many Tanks for your usual help, patience and kindness in answering my questions ! Only a doubt is left ....... Often, I have seen that the Montenegro 'Bravery Medal' was suspended from a different ribbon whose colours are White / Blue / Red. I have seen this examining old WW1 photos and colour plates on medal catalogues showing the medal in question. Moreover, it appears that this is the same case of D'Annunzio because in the War museum at the 'Vittoriale', where his medals are held, there is a set of His ribbons containing the White / Blue / Red ribbon. Can you explain why it was so common to use (I think at least during WW1) the 3 colours ribbon for the Montenegro 'Bravery Medal' and in which occasion / the reason for this ribbon was used ? Many Thanks Lilo P.S. : I have below attached the Montenegro 'Bravery Medal' suspended from the 3 colours ribbon and the D'Annunzio's ribbons (held by the museum) where is it possible to see the 3 colours ribbon.

Hi All, I'm trying to establish which exactly were the two Montenegro awards, received during WW1, by the world famous Italian poet-soldier Gabriele D'Annunzio (1863-1938). I have an article, written some year ago (1994) by an association here in Italy, that list all the foreign awards received by D'Annunzio, but the 2 Montenegro awards were incorrectly described and so I have a certain difficulty in rightly identify them. Following I'll report what is written in the Italian article after having literary translated in English the relevant part of it: 1) From King Nicola of Montenegro, D'Annunzio was awarded the : - Order 3° of St. Stefano (Stephan) of the Prince Danilo I, instituted for the independence of the Montenegro. 2) King Nicola of Montenegro awarded D'Annunzio with the 'medal of COURAGE in silver' (this award was made to D'Annunzio for War Merit and it came from Cettigne 14th - 27th, October 1917). From what I have understood, D'Annunzio received from King Nicola of Montenegro respectively 1 Order and 1 Medal. Can anyone help me in correctly identify these two awards ? Last, but not less important, I would like to know exactly which are the correct ribbons used for these 2 awards possibly by the publication of a couple of photos. Many Thanks for your precious help Best Regards Lilo

Hi Emanuel, Thanks for the kind words Regards Lilo

Hi Bovec1313, Many thanks for your prompt and very useful disponibility in help me on the Serbian awards and for all the images and descriptions you have posted : I have very much appreciated your help (as that of Emanuel). Best Regards Lilo

Hi Bovec1313, A very very interesting lecture that you have posted about the Medal (and the Cross) : Thank You ! Before to close this post I would like to ask you last precisation/confirmation about the ribbons used for the 1st and the 2nd types of the RED CROSS DECORATION. The ribbon used for the 1st type, as already stated/represented, is that of the above photos. Do you confirm that the ribbonS used for the 2nd type (or Royal version) of the RED CROSS DECORATION changed in respect to that used for the 1st type and that they were two : - For NON Combattant : plain white; - For Combattant : white + two red stripes near each edge. Awaiting to hear from you Best Regards Lilo

Hi Emanuel / Bovec1313, Many Thanks both for your detailed explanation. As the images in the photo I posted are so confused, I would be interested in seeing the proper colours of the ribbons for the MEDAL and the CROSS : Can you post a clear photo for each of them so that I can well understand what the colour of the ribbons exactly are ? 1) It seems that the ribbon used for the MEDAL is that of the Order of the White Eagle (with thinner blue sky stripes on the edge), isn't it ? 2) It seems that the ribbon used for the CROSS is that of the Order of TAKOWO, isn't it ? Again many thanks for any photo you can post. Best Regards Lilo