Igor Ostapenko

On 12/06/2007 at 14:12, Elmar Lang said:

Hello,.

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I know that all the original crosses have to be in gold, also the pieces awarded late in the 1st World War. The Ordenskanzlei ordered new crosses to Rothe & Neffe and ordered in the same time to let older pieces from the Order's treasure to be repaired and/or adapted.

 

Not all the silver-gilt and bronze-gilt crosses are to be considered as fakes, because Rothe and Mayer (and possibly, also Rozet & Fischmeister) made Order's crosses for private purchase.

 

Many years ago, I've seen a bronze-gilt Knight's Cross with the "star" mark struck on the loop and its quality was the same of a gold piece.

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Best wishes,

 

Enzo 

This cross sold few years ago in Ausrtia 

But wat about another cross - it’s copy or 1930’s production ? 

On 24/02/2021 at 09:24, Igor Ostapenko said:

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On 22/01/2021 at 19:55, Elmar Lang said:

I think that most of us posting replies, tried to put some humour, nothing to feel sorry about!

your question was an interesting one, in its true meaning.

In my case, I've always preserved my collection in velvet lined drawers so, protected from sunlight fading ribbons and easy to be examined witout opening boxes or frames.

Now, sorry to say, due to the difficult times we're all living through, I've decided to keep everything in the bank, after a thorough inventory and photography of all my pieces.

As soon as will have the time, I will prepare a photobook of my collection.

All the best,

 

E.L.

I need this photobook ! ? 

I know one photographIa of Queen Elisabeta with awards before 1881 year 

I know two photos of Queen with russian order of St. Ekaterina with diamonds ( receive in 1877 ) 

with order Crown of Romania with diamonds I know only this gravure 

Can you help me find photography of Queen with this Order ? 

21 hours ago, Graf said:

Hi Igor,

 

Nice cross

Those crosses in silver are rare I I have one more It is marked 925 like yours. This cross was discussed in another forum.

I suspect that some of them are made by order by the awarded persons. The fact is that some of those Soldier Crosses were awarded to non Bulgarian officers mainly German ones.

The prove is that I came across of few  German awarding Documents  to German officers

This cross with separate medallions , I have some without these parts 

Your and my marked crosses one piece made 

I have only this soldiers cross in pure silver, marked 925,

like sold cross from this store  http://bulgarianmedals.com/i-2603-1915-bulgaria-soldier-bravery-order-silver-rr.html

11 hours ago, Graf said:

Hi Igor,

 

As requested I took picture with the cross together with the corresponding silver cross from 1941 Emission  . Also very clear "SILBER" mark The ring is soldered very finely

GREAT !!! 
very rare cross, congratulations ! ?

I think this order princess Elisabeth receive from Queen  Elizabeta 

15 minutes ago, Carol I said:

Thanks for posting this image. I do not have to look again for it.

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9 minutes ago, Carol I said:

Thanks Igor for the details. It seems indeed that there are (at least) two different models. Not clear whether Elisabeth's star had dimonds on the motto ribband, but Marie's had diamonds on the arms of the cross, which the Telge piece did not have. And if Marie had the piece in 1931, it was not part of the treasury lost in Soviet Russia. As an anecdote, it was said that Col Boyle recovered the queen's jewels, but not succeeded with the national treasure.

I remeber seeing several years ago an exhibition with the orders of Marie and Ferdinand that had a jewelled Order of St Sava, but no Order of the Crown.

Queen Marie of Romania and order of St Sava with diamonds 

princess Maria, Queen of Yougoslavia and order of Karageorge Star with diamonds of Queen ( from Tito’s safe ) 

17 hours ago, Bayern said:

Telge , I read a time ago advertises his jewels as : Royal Romanian Palace Goldsmith Berlin . He was a jeweller and not a mere manufacturer of Orders and Crosses. His products were quite expensive .

??? 

 http://www.capodopere2019.ro/fructiera-lucrat-de-paul-telge-pentru-regele-carol-i-en.html
 

On 19/12/2020 at 13:35, Graf said:

Nice 1915 Soldier Cross  marked "silber" on the ring

Probable maker Zimmermann

Very rare !!! 
can you make photos of cross without ribbon ? 

On 05/12/2020 at 14:54, paul wood said:

Telge did similar jewelled examples of Bulgarian orders.

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No. 
only austrian Rothe and germany Zimmermann makes Bulgarian orders with diamonds 

7 hours ago, Carol I said:

Indeed a very interesting and quite rare piece. Given the (mis)fortunes of the royal house after the communist takeover, it is not a full surprise that the piece was broken down. It is a pity nevertheless.

The question on the owner(s) of the star remains. The owner was without doubt royal and because of that probably no proper records of the manufacture or award exist. Queen Elisabeth and Princess and later Queen Mary are the most likely recipients. Princess Elisabeth was under age at the death of Telge and probably did not have a pice of her own. But she could have inherited either that of her mother or great aunt. Is her photo dated?

This photos of Associated Press from August 1931, wedding of princess Ileana 

Queen Marie have another order, you can see different 

And ... 

Order of Queen Marie lost in Soviet Russia with another diamonds of Queen ?

another interesting Item - order V class with swords russian production 

May be not twice- Elisabeth of Romania,  Queen Consort of Greece, daughter of Queen Marie and King Ferdinand with some order 

On 05/12/2020 at 00:58, 922F said:

Beautiful Telge piece; at least the corpus remains.  Is star body white gold or platinum?  

Back of star - yellow gold, but front I think silver , letters CC gold 

two these orders was awarded 

Queen Elisabeth 

and Queen Marie 

97 mm, 128 gr 

Great and Rare order ! 

Hi Graf,

Thank you for pictures !!! 

Hier few pictures of officers with St. Alexander order IV class , see please size of cross 

Yes, this one ? 

May be you can make best quality pictures ? ?

Hi Graf, 

Thank you for pictures ! 
may be you can post good pictures of your ubergross St. Alexander IV Class from Battenberg period ?! 
 

Your friend have very nice collection, but I remember GC with swords over cross and don’t like this set. 
Crown with swords not from GC, I think from neck order - 2nd or 3rd class 

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Hi Graf, 

yes, I see your pictures, but if you can post new photos - great !!! 

I have few orders from Osipov and few from Wondra ( Darmstadt ) 

and my new toy - GC from Scheid  

Great ! 
Thank you for sharing . 
very rare order V class for foreigners - only 200-300 was produced . 
pure silver ?

Post picture please