Perhaps I am reading more into this than what is actually here but it seems as though you don't want to answer a simple question Lorenzo. As the club host you should make every effort to answer a members questions the way that you would want yours answered. I am detecting a level of animosity toward bmsm and his book. A brief description of each piece of insignia would answer the question asked and would serve to assist other collectors in this field, which is what you purport to do... When you post items you don't know about you like to get an honest answer from others ie. Owain, Ed Haynes, Bob, right down to myself last night, on your Chinese canteen. Why won't you respond in kind and share the knowledge? Merely posting items doesn't help anyone, they like to know if at all possible what the items are, who used them and when. Bob is the expert in the field of Iraqi collctibles and he has offered to share his knowledge and work with others. This is what makes him the go to person, not the size of his personal collection. When he seeks to expand his knowledge, the information will become available for all those interested in this field. Try to be a bit more helpful, it will go a long way. Scott.