P.F.

Hard to say, but I think the orange one might be the Order of Queen Maria and the one next to it the "Cross of Sanitary Merit" - both Romanian and both appropriate for a medic.

I agree with Jmaes, well done! But i think the orange one is Cross of Queen Marie on

War Ribbon

Pierce

Potential buyers need to know this though. Heck, I own Rommel's IAB. I just can't prove it except that the dealer told me so...... The bar is fine, the attribution (as a definate) is not.

Good point Don. I will change the description tonight to "attributed to"

Thanks

Pierce

Too bad it cannot be proven that it was the General's awards. I see it is now for sale on WAF?

Hi Don,

Yeh now up for sale.....i just bought one medal bar too many and now am broke.

As for proof, there are no docs with this group so i am going on the previous owners word. I own a few medal bars that came with "no proof" and no-one seemed to have a problem with them. This one looks fine too, all original. I see where you are coming from though and it is too bad. The combo is a bit common to say they belong to Frantz but these were the awards he received (talking about the medal bar in particular here) from what i read. IMO just because there is no positive ID does NOT mean they are not his awards.

Kind regards

Pierce

Purchased from John on 12th April 2009.

Thanks John

Pierce

Hello luftkreig

Im conviced about the Netherland Order of Orange.

I found a ribbon of this order in www.medals.org.uk

The Order have 5 grades:

1 Grand Cross

2 Grand Officer

3 Commander

4 Officer

5 Knight

The ribbon has 1 crown. What grade this condecoration would be?

Cheers

Hi.

If it's a gold crown, it could possibley be Commander Grade? To be honest i don't know.

Kind regards

Pierce

Hello luftkreig,

Very apreciated, thx a lot.

Anyone can recognise the 2 missing ribbons ?

Cheers

Hi there.

Just made a quick edit to my earlier post. Can anyone confirm these foreign awards?

Kind regards

Pierce

Generaloberstabsarzt Prof. Dr. Med. Erich Hippke

1st ribbon :

EK2 1914

Prussian Red Cross medal IIKl (?)

Ehrenkreuz f?r Frontk?mpfer

Dienstauszeichnungen der Wehrmacht I Klass

Dienstauszeichnungen der Wehrmacht III Klass

Luftschutz Medal

Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13 M?rz 1938,

Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1 Oktober 1938 mit Spange ?Prager Burg?,

Memel Medaille

Red Cross Decoration IIIKl

2nd ribbon :

Commemorative medal for WW1 Hungary

Bulgarian Commorative Medal with X

Turkish Iron Crescent with ???

Italian Order of the Crown, Grand Cross

Netherlands Order of the House of Orange ??

??

Bulgarian Order of St. Alexander ??

Spanish Order of the Yoke & Arrows

Norwegian Order of St. Olav ??

Serbian Order of St. Sava

#5 a Saxon award (green & white)?

Pierce

Thanks guys for putting my mind at rest.

Pierce

The mark is Meybauer's.

It might be NICE to.... actually see... the ENTIRE bar? I mean-- for posterity-- before the thing is wrenched apart out of idle curiosity about... the suspension ring.

Wrenched apart? Who will be wrenching it apart?? It was just an innocent question about the suspension ring........... I got the seller to take some extra shots of it from these different angle, doing NO damage to the bar. I have never seen one like it before...... :blush:

Maker mark???

More pics. Look at the back of the eagels head in this one.

Hoping to but a new medal bar with this Silesian Eagle on it. This one i am unsure about. Is it good or bad? There is a maker mark on the reverse.

Does the reverse look ok?

What about the way it is attached to the medal bar?

I thought these medals usually had the jump ring attached to the head of the eagle. This one seems to be sewn on to the bar by something attached to the back of the eagles head.

Thanks

Pierce

VERY common and impossible to say. I've had black backings on both navy and army.

Since the 1911 version of the 1905 Luitpold Jubilee Medal was given to all officers with Bavarian nationality, not just Bavarian army personnel, could just as well be army OR navy. Nothing "extra" to indicate one or the other. This is, after all, simply a WW1 pair.

With that length of time in, a WW2 Colonel level anyway.

Nice old stock Godet metal backing, not with their usual pale gray cloth backing.

Thanks Rick. I was thinking it woud have been hard to say.

At least we have a rank to go with it, thanks.

Pierce

Also picked this up last week. Is it Army or Navy? I would imagine the combo to be common enough so i'd guess an ID out of the question?? What about possible owners?

Kind regards and thanks

Pierce

I hope you can find a photo of both of them wearing these medal bars.

While Meendsen-Bohlken HAD those awards on his medal bar, so could at least a dozen other naval officers. There is no way to identify a WW1 pair unless a photo establishes the exact medal bar was being worn by him.

Meisel had a Sudeten Medal, a Memel Medal, a Spanish 1936-39 campaign Medal and I'm not sure (never seen a good enough photo) what as a 4th ribbon after his long services, worn on his ribbon bar in wartime photos. Perhaps he never updated his awards after 1938.

The only other naval SA3bX/HH/nothing else person I find was Marine-Oberstabsarzt Dr. Dietmar Sieber (1886-19??) who served in the navy from 1907 to at least 1931 but disappears thereafter (certainly not in the navy in 1936) but pops back in during the war as Flottenarzt zV before retiring 01.02.44. Since there were no long service awards between 1920 and 1936, if he retired between 1931 and then he wouldn't have been entitled to the pair even if recalled during the war since awards had been suspended.

Hi Rick,

I was thinking the Vizeadmiral group could not have been IDed due to the combo so i am gald it came with a name.

As for the Admiral Meisel medal bar...i just assumed he did not update his medal bar...common enough that?

I did a search on the net and i seen a wartime photo of him...a very long ribbon bar, all the awards you mention above seem to be on it. I see he also had the Japanese Order of the Rising Sun. Which Grade was it? Perhaps that is the 4th ribbon after the long service awards?

Thanks for your input.

Pierce

P.S Thanks to everyone else for their positive comments. :rock on:

Reverse

Admiral Wilhelm Meisel

(Can this be verified?)

Case

Italian Royal Order of the Crown, COMMANDER GRADE

Spanish-Moroccan Royal Order of Mehdauia, COMMANDER GRADE

Reverse

These both arrived here this morning. Have been paying these off for quite a while now....but finally they are here!

First up Vizeadmiral Wilhelm Meedsen-Bohlken

Thank you all for your input and especially to Rick. Having this ribbon bar in hand i agree with him, the tabs have not been opened at the back, this bar is in somewhat brittle condition. As for the red ribbon...looks the same colour as the stripe in the HCX imo...could be the photographer... .

The name was mis-spelt, his sur-name is Flegel, not Flegal..........i went to the Axis Research website and got this....picture matches the ribbon bar but they have a habit on that site of getting the wrong picture with the name.

http://www.geocities.com/~orion47/

Let me know your expert opinions on this possibllity.

Thanks again

Pierce

Your reverse pix isn't showing. What color are the eagles on the 2 LS awards?

Thanks

Hi. Have edited my 1st post, the eagles are GOLD!

Kind regards

Pierce