P.F.

Reverse. :blush:

Hi. Received this in the post yesterday. Attributed to:

Vizeadmiral Reichskriegsgerichtsrat Dr.jur. Max Flegel.

EK II Kl

Sachsen-Weimar Wei?en Falken Orden- Ritterkreuz II Kl mit Schwertern

HCX

DA25

DA12

KUK III Kl mit Kriegdekoration

Can this be verified?

Many thanks

Pierce

Now for sale on WAF...

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...ad.php?t=337994

Best regards

Pierce

Scott, quit selling all those interesting bars! Pierce, I now have that bar with the Maurice and Lazarus.

Take good care of it Vince!!

Pierce

Hi all,

My question is this time who is the maker "TZ"? I got one Bavarian ribbon bar and on the reverse plate is stamped where is in the sircule those letters. I presume its represents a maker?

Yes, good question Timo...i too have a few ribbon bars marked "TZ" in a circle! :blush:

No longer in my collection.

A luftwaffe group! :cheers:

Bravo Paul! :beer:

I don't know.

I'd love to have it "in hand".

The rarer the piece/combo the greater the likelihood of it being fabricated as a "collectors edition".

Here you have somebody who merited a noncom EK2, was in uniform (which makes this one of only 3,000 or so EK2s) but not in combat in WW1. Yet by all indications he was in @ 1916+ and then got recalled in 1937 or so-and merited only a 4 year LS Luftwaffe medal (not enough time in by 1939/40 to have had the 12 year LS: most Sudenten medals were actually handed out to people in the beginning of 1939-making this bar MINIMUM from the Spring of '39-40).

Note there is no KvKx, which one might expect of a post 1940 bar.

A native Hamburger?

A clever young gas technician/chemist working on Zepplins? An accountant? A chemist/pharmacist? A really good mechanic? Someone invalided out early who did vital war work?

The Luftwaffe certainly pulled in many odd technical types upon rearmament., so it sort of fits the bars' "story".

I think its very intriguing.

Wow, thanks ulsterman. I think it's great how you guys can tell so much about a bar from just looking at it.

Pierce

.... makes you wonder about those noncom. Ek2s.

In what way? is this medal bar ok ulsterman?

Thanks

Pierce

Reverse and shot of the missing eagle ....seems they went up through the ribbon to remove it ...backing stiching has not been touched!

This arrived today, a nice Luftwaffe non-com medal and ribbon bar set! Unfortunately the eagle has been taken off the medal bar... but you can see whare it was and that it was a luftwaffe eagle, also the ribbon bar confirms this!

Let me know what you think!

Pierce

Hello Gentlemen,

Im doing a research project about Generaloberstabsarzt Carl Franz.

Does anybody have his list of awards ?

Im trying to identificate his decorations in this picture from ABR site.

Can anyone help me ?

from left to right :

1 - EK2

2 - F?rstl. Hohenzollernsches Ehrenkreuz III. Klasse mit Schwertern

3 - ??

4 - ??

5 - ??

6 - ??

7 - ??

Hi. Is no.2 not the Red Eagle Order 4th Class with Swords? :Cat-Scratch:

Re-sized picture added above, beside the ribbon bar for comparison. What do you guys make of it? a good match or not?

Thanks

Pierce

So there is simply no way to find this information now with what we have. There was no obvious reason for him to have received either-- or anything else.

Well he was awarded something else! Hoping for a Zahringer Lion because as you know i found this!

I know there is an added spange.....but how does it compare to the one being worn in the pic?

Luftkrieg, I think you are going about the wrong way. When you have a ribbon bar with Imperial awards and TR 25 Years long service first go through the Reichwehr ranklist, any years after 1922, find candiates and then look for pictures. That is how I would go about it. As Rick said the combinations are not unique but you may get luckly with a picture.

Thanks Paul :cheers:

I find it "ironic" that somebody who has stolen the image from the Hildebrand Biblio biographies feels "entitled" to slap THEIR "property line" across that image. People. Yeesh.

It looks like a Saxon Albert Order, which would have been a Knight 2nd Class X for his rank BUT

he is on no award rolls. He either fell through the cracks getting listed for Saxony or maybe is among the illegible late 1918 Baden Z?hringen Lions. The thing is-- he had no apparent affiliation with EITHER, so... ???

Hi Rick,

Yeh i had hoped for a Zahringer Lion....any way to confirm this at all? He would have been entitled to one for his rank?

Yeh, ended up borrowing this image from the island farm POW site.....

Thanks again

Pierce

No luck finding the owners... :banger:

Picture now attached!

Thanks

Pierce

Hi all! What were Luftwaffe Gen.Maj. Hans Erdmann's awards on his ribbon bar? I have seen a pic on the Axis History research site, his ribbon bar has 6 ribbons. Can identify 5 of them-

Ek, ?, HCX, 18yr, 4yr, Sudetenland....can these be verified? what is award no.2?

Thanks to all who assist!

Pierce

Immutable Laws Of Ribbon Bar Identification

1: There Must Be IMPERIAL COMBINATIONS which are unique (no, no, & no)

2: If 1 is not possible, then must be able to find photo of Said Ribbon bar in wear-- i.e. Generals' biographies or celebrity recipients (?,?, ?, no, no, no)

Was thinking that Rick....have been on the Axis history research site all evening....no luck yet and i'm nearly finished {can only go as far as Gen.Maj there are no pics after that}

Pierce

Gold eagles on this one!

A long shot i know but can any of these be IDed? Eagles are all silver...

Perfecto.

Cheers!

Rick, what do you make of my ribbon bar and the one von Bernuth is wearing in the photo?

As for the Bavarian-- PLEASE slip all those flopping around rings back under the edges of the ribbons where they belong before all that enamel gets dashed off swinging around.

Rick