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Yes, very nice. Here's mine:

Simply wow! 

And first time I see the Chile on a ribbon bar.

Ahh SA! Thanks --- this could be 101 indeed. The pic was probably taken in East Prussia. I read that there was a new Brigade 101 formed in Lötzen in October 1939.

Attempted a close-up:

Gentlemen,

I'm at a loss here: What is the other collar tab of this Sturmführer? (Pic presumably 1934 or before) Is he Allgemeine-SS or not?

I've got a number of pictures of Model - but have never been able to find a picture of him wearing his medal bar. It seems he very rarely wore it.

Here's a picture with the East Front Medal in his buttonhole, though. Makes sense, too -- he wore the two awards that would have gone on his Spange (EK2 Wiederholungsspange and East Front) in his buttonhole.

(To the right is Hermann Breith.)

Simply a wonderful find.

It makes sense that Model's bar is quite plain and down-to-earth. Attached you find a picture of his grave on the war cemetery near Aachen - very simple - no rank, and he shares it with another one.

Chris

What about:

Dr. phil. Wilhelm Kerp, Geh. Reg.rat, Kais. Gesundheitsamt, Berlin (born 1866), RAO4, BM3 in 1910.

Guess no way to verify this one:

Oberingenieur Schürmann, gunpowder factory Spandau, born 1846, BM4mKr 1899, shows an additional RAO4 in 1908. Importance of gunpowder...

Could this tiny bar have been worn on a civilian dress?

Hmmm. Thanks! More digging will be necessary...

More suspects from the Super Grampa thread:

RR Max Rausch, KP Kriegsmin, Berlin, BM4, RAO4

RR Schelle, Minist. d. öff. Arbeit, Berlin, BM4

RR Hermann Metzky (b. 1859), Kalkulator im Reichsschatzamt, BM4, RAO4

RR Rudolf Wolff, Geh. Registr., General-Ordenskommission, BM4, RAO4

New try:

Hans W. Schultz (born 1859), Regierungs- und Baurat in Kiel, Kais. Kanalamt. RAO4 and KO3 according to DOA; BM3 in 1908.

Ok thanks!

I will keep looking further down the list.

With the newly found list of non-Bavarian recipients of the St. Michael, I found a suspect for my bar:

Prof. Dr. med. Georg Alexander Rost (1877-1970). Dr. med. Kiel 1902. He is listed in the DOA with only the St. Michael 4th cl, which he got in 1904.

He dropped out of the Marine as Generaloberarzt sometime before 1914 and went on to become Professor and Director of the Dermatology Clinic in Freiburg in 1915. Yes, no Baden awards -- but maybe on his neck?

This thread is better than reading a good book! Its development is great! The conclusion is awesome!

I humbly bow to your knowledge, efforts and teamwork! A true pleasure to read!

That must have been a trip to the front. According to a recent book on "war tourism 1914-18" I looked into, there was a real tourism to the front going on among rear area officials, especially for members of the General Staff.

Wow!

Couldn't have been a bomb on Berlin, could it....

Maybe a trip to the front?

Here is his entry in the Bavarian Court and State Handbook:

@Ulsterman:

Interesting -- but that is General d. Inf. zD Rudolf VON Zingler (1839-1920)-

Rechnungsrat Fritz Zingler is listed in the Berlin Adressbuch until 1926, living in Bugenhagenstr. 3.

YES!!!

That looks very good to me! Many of the others I checked had WF3a, but none WF3b. That must be him --- somehow Fritz Zingler exchanged his IX for an XXV and did not mount his EK2w.

None of the first list (non-Beamten) either.

None of the Merit Cross Beamten.

Third Class (at least remotely possible suspects until 1910)

(Beamten in brackets)

BUT: It is none of these -- I checked them all in the DOA and elsewhere.

1889:

Adolf Röder Frhr. v. Diersburg, KP Oberst zD

1892:

(v. Skopnik, KP Geh. Regierungsrat, Straßburg)

1895:

(Kirschner, Geh. Regierungsrat aD, Berlin)

(Täglichsbeck, KP Oberbaurat aD, Hannover)

Gestefeld, KP Major aD, Polizeihauptmann, Hamburg

Fielitz, KP Wirkl. Geh. Kriegsrat aD, Berlin

1896:

(Ludwig Gundlach, Geh. Regierungsrat, Wilmersdorf )

(Dr. Paul Kollmann, Geh. Oberregierungsrat zD)

1897:

(Dr. Karl Wilhelm v. Meister, Regierungspräsident, Wiesbaden)

1898:

(Dr. v. Michels, Geh. Regierungsrat, Straßburg)

Friedrich Goetze, Geh. Rechnungsrat aD, Görlitz

1900:

v. Morgen, KP Oberst, Kdr IR 15

Starck, Frhr. v., KP Major zD

Tjard Schwarz, Geh. Marine-Oberbaurat, Schiffbau-Ressortdirektor, Kiel

1902:

v. Beckedorff, KP Hptm dR

(Leo Franken, Kais. Oberregierungsrat, Wiesbaden)

(Sperber, Geh. Rechnungsrat aD, Weimar)

(Hasenpatt, Geh. Kanzleirat, KP Kriegsmin.)

1903:

(Steinmeister, Geh. Rechnungsrat aD, Steglitz)

1905:

Egmont v. Websky, Major, KP Generalstab, VI. AK

Franzelius, Geh. Hofrat, Ausw. Amt, Berlin

Brünig, Wirkl. Geh. Kriegsrat, Militärintendant, KP XI. AK

1906:

Karl Graf v. Alten-Linsingen, Maj dL, Hannover

(Jahn, Vortragender Rat, Reichsschatzamt)

(Hintze, Geh. Rechnungsrat, Reichsschatzamt)

(Gustav Stolterfoth, KP Geh. Baurat aD)

(Seele, Geh. Hofrat, Ausw. Amt)

(Dr.-Ing. Wilhelm v. Siemens, Geh. Regierungsrat, Berlin)

(Beuckenberg, Baurat, Dortmund)

v. Friedeburg, KP Oberstlt, Kais. Flügeladjutant

1907:

v. Cramon, Oberstlt., beauftragt mit der Führung Garde-Kürass.-Reg.

Rettig, Geh. Kanzleirat, KP Kriegsmin.

1908:

Dr. Nietner, KP Oberstabsarzt aD, Professor in Berlin

Boy-Ed, Kais. Dt. Korvettenkapitän

Hintze, Geh. Hofrat, Militärkabinett

(Schultz, Regierungs- und Baurat, Kanalamt, Kiel)

1909:

(Theodor Dietrich, Geh. Rechnungsrat, Reichsamt des Innern)

(Jungheim, Geh. Rechnungsrat, Direktor des Reichstags)

Eduard Stemmermann, Oberstlt, Distriktskommandant der Gendarmerie, Karlsruhe

Stolzenburg, Geh. Rechnungsrat, Geh. exped. Sekr., KP Kriegsmin.

(Dr. Alfred Westphal, KP Geh. Regierungsrat aD, Schriftführer des Kyffhäuserbundes)

(Stieme, Geh. Kriegsrat, Justitiar, KP Kriegsmin.)

Arnold, KP Geh. Kriegsrat, Intendant 1. AK

Lemmel, Wirkl. Geh. Kriegsrat, KP Kriegsmin.

Hoene, Rechnungsrat, Geh. Kanzleidirektor, KP Kriegsmin.

Frhr. v. Broich, Major beim Stab Drag-Reg. 7

1910:

v. Lenski, KP Oberstlt, Abt-Kdr, FAR 31

(Ruth, Geh. Hofrat, Ausw. Amt, Berlin)

(Franz Dütting, KP Oberbaurat, Eisenbahnzentralamt, Berlin)

(Laury, Oberregierungsrat, KP Eisenbahndirektion, Berlin)

And the Beamten:

Merit Cross with Crown:

1910: Grundstedt, Lazarettinspektor, Dieuze

1909: Bergemann, Registrator, Militärkabinett; Hermann Rubow, Geh. Kanzleisekr., Militärkabinett

1908: Jacques, Intend.-Sekr., Int, KP XV. AK; Alexander Kliebsch, Ob.-Intend.-Sekr., Int, KP XVI. AK

1906: Hofrat Petersen, Geh. Registrator, Militärkabinett; Georg Lix, Geh. exped. Sekr.

1905: Nicolaus, Intend.-Sekr., KP. III. AK; Grosse, Rechnungsrat, KP Kriegsmin.; Köbele, KP. Kaserneninsp.; Julius Zöllner, KP Garnison-Verw.-Insp., Saargemünd; Hofrat Sommerkamp, Militärkabinett

1904 Reichelt, Rechnungsrat, KP Gr. Generalstab

1903: Kohrs, Rechnungsrat, KP Gr. Generalstab

1901: Thaa, Lazarettinsp., Metz-Stadt

4th class with Crown:

1909: Herbert Wollmann, Geh. exped. Sekr., Päpstl. Stuhl; Rechnungsrat Albrecht, KP Gr. Generalstab; Intend.-Rat Düvel, Intend. 39. Div.; Hofrat Lemcke, Militärkabinett; Rechnungsrat Blume, KP Kriegsmin.; Rechnungsrat Goetze, KP Ingenieur-Komitee, Festungsoberbauwart

1908 KP Rechnungsrat Krüger, Straßburg, Proviantamt; KP Rechnungsrat Tigör, Metz, Proviantamt; KP Rechnungsrat Heinrich Finke, KP Gr. Generalstab; KP Rechnungsrat Liere, KP Kriegsmin.; KP Rechnungsrat Balk, KP Kriegsmin.; KP Geh. Rechnungsrat Hermann Schliewe, KP Gr. Generalstab; Hofrat Fahm, Militärkabinett; Rechnungsrat Zingler, KP Gr. Generalstab

1907: Rechnungsrat Martini, KP Kriegsmin.; Rechnungsrat Müller, Reichsamt des Innern; Rechnungsrat Seidel, KP Kriegsmin.; Rechnungsrat Rausch, KP Kriegsmin

1906: KP Rechnungsrat Schelle; KP Geh. Rechnungsrat aD Karl, Berlin; KP Rechnungsrat Schröter, Rechnungsrat Metzky; Geh. Rechnungsrat Schuckert

1905: Rechnungsrat Kieselbach, Mainz; Geh. Rechnungsrat Strähler, KP Kriegsmin.; Geh. Rechnungsrat Armand, KP Kriegsmin.; Rechnungsrat Rudolf Wolff, Ordenskommission, Berlin

....

The Bavarian Court and State Handbook lists all St. Michael winners – Non-Bavarians only until 1910, however.

Here is the list of possible suspects from 1910 – non-Bavarian officers, Zahlmeister and similar ones (year is “handed out in”):

Merit Cross with Crown:

1909: Zschau, KS Zahlmeister, IR 102

1903: Zeitz, OStVeterinär in FAR4 (Prinzregent)

1897: Kurth, Oberzahlmeister aD, Magdeburg

4th class with Crown:

1909: Dörtenbach, KW Major in 2. Württ. FAR; Peter Eichen, RM aD and Amtsgerichtsrat, Frankfurt/M.

1907: Beyersdorf, Hptm, FAR 16; Dunin v. Przychowski, Maj in IR 95; Neumann, Hptm in IR 95

1906: Wolfgang v. Salmuth, Maj, 10. Division

1904: v. Memerty, Hptm in IR 96; Kurt v. Plüskow, Hptm, 42. Inf-Brig.

1900: Erhard Graf Kalnein, 2. Garde-Ulanen-Reg.

1895: Landwehr-Hptm aD Friedrich Keilholz; Landwehr-Hptm aD Friedrich Schüppe

1893: KP RM aD Graf v. Pückler

1890: KP RM aD v. Katte

1888: KP RM aD v. Döring

Attempting a close-up. There seems to be a HHOX and maybe a Meiningen.

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