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Here's a new one coming out of Austria, a different seller. An all TR, 9-place bar:

Yes, classic Godet hinge and backing! :cheers:

Thanks Bernhard! It's always good to see these infos compiled here from dispersed sources!

A very good thread!

I think what should be added is that there was a major reorganisation of the Heeres-Beamten in 1944 (I think effective May 1st). Many officials then became officers - "Offiziere im Truppensonderdienst". The reason behind this was that it had been recognized that more specialized officers were required.

In particular, the ranks changed entirely, for example:

Stabszahlmeister became Stabsintendant

Oberstabszahlmeister became Oberstabsintendant

Oberfeldzahlmeister became Oberfeldintendant

Higher ranks were Oberstintendant, Generalintendant and Generalstabsintendant.

Regards

Chris

Thanks for the clarification GRA!

Rick, yes, exactly the same style!! Yours is an officer, right?

These bars are not exactly common...

Za Zasluhy device:

The back:

My first Slovakian WW2 ribbon bar. Yes, it is a tab back - but it looks good, consistent wear and so on.

Not sure if I got the ribbons right: Silver Bravery Medal, Bronze Bravery Medal, EK2 and with a "Za Zasluhy" ("For Bravery"?) device - not sure what this indicates. But I guess an NCO.

Anyone got examples to compare? With German awards too?

Great items!!

Just two remarks: First, this thread should be in the Weimar forum. And second, if we want to find this discussion later again, we need key words: Argonnen, Somme, Champagne Kreuz. :)

WOW!

Is that an award roll for the ?M3K?

I see the next research gnome project!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris

Another problem: An NCO XII decoration on the medal bar - but only a 4-11 year Wehrmacht LS award on the ribbon bars?

I think the ribbon bars may be ok. My guess is the medal bar might have been a late "reconstruction", by the vet himself or even by his descendants - maybe even after 1945...

Hmmm - am I the only one who has doubts about this bar? First, I can't imagine Ohling getting his DSWA ribbon wrong. But what's more - I don't like the stitching pattern at all. Looks very much like that found on recent fakes...

Did this bar come with documentation? Any paperwork?

Could be the "Krieger-Verdienstmedaille".

As I understand it, there was no 1st or 2nd class. It was a pinback award - and wearing it on the medal bar was completely unofficial. The ribbon was however worn on the RIBBON bar.

I don't think it can be Bulgarian because the letters are Latin, not Kyrillic. The shape of the cross rather suggests Yugoslavia.

Ahhh! Thanks to you both!

Back:

I've shown this bar here already. It MIGHT belong to

Hauptmann Graffunder

Lt 22.3.95. He is listed without first name in the DOA 08/09, in IR95, has got the SA3b, HSH3b, Centenary and the Russian St. Stanislaus. Hptm 27.1.1912Q. In 1914, he is still in IR95, with an additional Bulgarian St. Alexander. He didn't get anything else from Saxony during WW1, but the Reuss award seems possible, given IR95 was a Thuringian unit. Major aD in 1919.

This might be his wartime bar, provided he wore only his German awards.

Graffunder is the only candidate in the 1914 RL with only SA3b and HSH3b who fits. He got the HHOX, gazetted on 19.4.1917, but might have worn it from the buttonhole, or this was an earlier bar.

Does anyone have his first name, from the newly available sources?

Thanks

Chris

Problem is, he was Austrian. The 1938 RAD list does not yet contain the Austrians.

Got him already?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...em=180243018749

Apparently a "Leutnant Heinz"... and the first pic shows him with the "fresh" HHOX, apparently 15.9.18...

first one is from my collection but has never been ID?d...... as far as I know

so maybe I was wrong... it should be an Oberst aD, in any case.

The first one I've seen before and I think it has been ID'd - but I just can't remember who it was...

#3 is a Saxon officer with the TWM in last place.

Can you see if there is a Georg K?stner in there?

No, K?stner is in neither Vol. 1 nor 2.

Very interesting find! Quite similar to my grandfather's Feldgendarmerie Wehrpass:

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=21161

He also made Stabsfeldwebel and went into the Feldgendarmerie even earlier, on 4.8.1939. Those were the first units mobilized.