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Very fast, thanks. So am I correct that this is someone who fought in WW2 and got into the Fire Service?

This one:

I have had this ribbon bar in my collection for some time, however French bars are not my area. Can anyone help me what this ribbon with a "France" clasp is?

Chris

Very colourful indeed!

I find a Dr. Paul Kayser from Finsterbergen in Gotha, who got his Dr. med. in Berlin on 24.02.1903, as Unterarzt in IR 27.

Yes, we know him. Generalmajor Hans-Richard Lorenz (1879-1968). His ribbon bar was sold some time ago.

Regards

Chris

I have looked it up, but German library catalogs also have only vol. 1, with a notice that no more volumes appeared.

Thanks for the additional information!

Is it possible to say what final rank this person would have had approx.?

Chris

That is a great picture, could you do some more close-ups of their ribbon bars? Those guys are wearing really long bars, maybe it's due to the Bavarian folded style.

Chris

Chris, Hungary occupied Northern Transylvania in 1940, not in 1938.

Ah yes, of course! So my bar has the Upper Hungary 1940 ribbon. Thanks!

Anybody else have Hungarian WW2 ribbon bars to compare?

Thanks!

According to Lukas Gaszewski (here), red-blue is for Transsylvania 1938, Blue for Upper Hungary 1940, so maybe he's got them the wrong way round.

I just found this thread, and I'm wondering whether this unidentified, improvised ribbon on GDR Admiral Wilhelm Ehm's ribbon bar (see here) might be the "Ernesto Che Guevara" order 1st class?

The back. A strange construction, with hooks:

This is the first Hungarian ribbon bar in my collection. Have I got the ribbons correct?

1) WW1 commem medal? Are those "things" two repeat clasps?

2) Fire Cross

3) Long Service Decoration

4) Transsylvanian Medal

Regards

Chris

BUT - Stengel's bar is not the same as on the picture. The swords are different, those are the older type swords on the pic. Here's a close-up:

Hey, where's Rick?

I remember he's got at least two, Hahn and someone else...

Rick did this nice comparison of the close-up and my ribbon bar.

Second picture:

You know him already: Generalleutnant Alfred von Besser (1854-1919).

Yes, Albert Trenkler, much older than the other two, was Marine Ingenieur on SMS Hertha in Messina 1908.

BTW, those two lower ribbon bars still have me puzzled. What lunatic put swords on the CO ribbon? And what is ribbon #2 on the Bavarian-style ribbon bar? (Or do they maybe not belong to the lot??)

Thanks Claudio! Your Gerhard Meyer was indeed Wilhelm's comrade on the Victoria Louise in 1908.

Thanks a lot for your comments, much appreciated! Right, the Messina medal is backwards, strange.

And yes Rick, it simply HAD to be done.

Of course, a picture would be perfect, but at least we have this - thanks again to RickResearch!

(MOH "Nachrichten Aus Luv und Lee" März 1941)

With the information that there were only two ships from the Imperial Navy in Messina (Hertha and Victoria Louise), Rick identified him as:

Wilhelm Peters

born Kiel 13 May 1888

Seekadett 1.4.08 (served on Victoria Louise)

Fähnrich zS

Lt zS 27.9.11 L5l

Olt zS 19.9.14 A5a

KaptLt zS 18.8.18 H

KorvKapt zS (E) 1.10.34 #7

Fregattenkapitän (E) 1.10.1939 #6

During WW1 he served as a Watch Officer on torpedo boats V156, V158, V67, S32, and S60 of the 12th half-Flotille/VI Flotille until October 1917. Then he went to Uboat School and was commandant there of the old training submarine "U-A" until April 1918, ending the war as an instructor there. Listed in the 1918 RL with EK1 and OK1. Went aD 30.7.20.

Recalled to the Navy in the 1930s.

1937 Marine Werft Wilhelmshaven

1938-1941 WBK Frankfurt/M. (that's probably where he got his South-German style ribbon bar with the Otto Schickle eagles), Torpedoschule Mürwik, Hafenkomdt. Le Treport and Dieppe

Died 3 March 1941 of a heart attack "at the front" as Fregattenkapitän.

We discussed the ribbon bar back at WAF, in those days. It was Daniel who suggested that the last ribbon might be a Messina 1908 earthquake commemorative medal - on the wrong ribbon. This has now been confirmed. The ribbon bar uses the Saxon DA ribbon, while the medal bar has the Saxon Honor Cross ribbon on it. But this guy was in Messina in 1908.