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Kev, I think you have it except for the last one, which has me stumped. The ribbon looks a little too dark to be yellow. As for his name, I believe he's Richard Ochs, born in Magdeburg. Oh, and don't forget the 25 year oaks on the EK.

He is not listed in the DOA, sorry.

Actually, the NSDAP long services were first bestowed on 30 January 1940... so he was a bit SLOW on getting news about the Anschluss!

Ah yes, I forgot about that.

So maybe the first bar was just an error, though it's hard to imagine Sedlatzek making such a mistake.

Nice! Have you got any names? Maybe he could be looked up in the DOA 1908/09.

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Gentlemen,

I recently got this set of ?political? ribbon bars to the same person, an NSDAP functionary and ex-WW1 fighter (probably as a plain Gefreiter). It?s nice to see the progression:

Between the first and the second bar, the wearer had realised that Austria now belonged to the Reich, and therefore shifted the Austrian Commemorative to its proper place. Most probably this happened around 1939, so the wearer had already got this NSDAP 10 by them and must have been an old fighter.

The third, wartime bar adds just a KVK2.

Also, the bars have three different backings: Green with Sedlatzek tag, dark blue and apparently a grey-ish one (some threads left).

Any other ideas about these bars?

With White Falcons being as uncommon as they are, does this look like it might be ID-able?

Problem is, he would not show up in the usual military rolls. Maybe a Bavarian Staatshandbuch, but I don't know about these. The only chance I see at the moment is -

- looking through 1700+ pages in the DOA 1908/09.

Officer or enlisted? I don't know enough about the St. Michael to know what grade indicates what.

Is the plain red ribbon likely to be a White Falcon, or the civil grade of the Luitpold Jubilee?

What sort of person would have had this sort of a combo?

Great lapel bow. I would say definitely a civilian, Major-equivalent. Hessian Philipp, probably White Falcon, Ernestiner, Prussian Crown Order. No RAO4.

What a great bar! Congratulations!

The Marianerkreuz was - as I recall - only given to members of the nobility with some kind of medical connection. This must be quite a high non-military Bavarian functionary. Probably not traceable in the usual military sources however.

This is the Lippe War Merit Cross, and the combination is ok. In fact, if the bar were real, there would be only about a handful of suspects, with 25+ years of service.

However, I have to say that I don't really like the bar. How would that uneven fading of the two blue ribbons be accounted for? Sorry, tab backs are always easily messed with.

Chris

Reverse:

Nobody's perfect. Not even Detlev. This one just cannot be right. Wrong precedence, especially Sudeten before Austrian. No Austrian would have got that order wrong. Naaahhhh!

I would also be interested in this, as I have the same problem (my grandfathers').

Gentlemen, here is the latest addition to my collection... a nice W?rttemberg medal bar, maybe someone can help me with the ID of the owner. There are some names left and maybe we can take some more from the list now, or you have new names for me .... the possibilities are:

Bohle - Berater in Paris

Bohn - Historien-Maler

Elrienthausen - Leutnant

Engelhorn - Buchh?ndler

Freytag - Major

Herbort - Oberst

Hettler - Eisenbahninspektor

Hummel - Berater

Kegele - B?rgermeister Cannstadt

Leins - Lehrer/Professor

every help is welcome, enjoy the bar.

Heiko

Most of these are not in the DOA1908/09...

except for Karl Engelhorn who would be a perfect match BUT he has got the Karl Olga medal instead of the Jubilee medal, so not him.

It can't be Herbort and most probably not Freytag -> no LS!

Great to have found this, thanks. His EK2 is from 1870, but the EK1 is the 1914 version.

Incredible!

That photo seems to have been taken at the same time as the first.

Thanks for posting!!

Chris

The back, for the record.

Another 'Tito' style fake on ebay:

Hallo Gentlemen what is the second last medal on this, for the want of a better description: "abortion bar"

Kevin in Deva

That is supposed to be the Papal "Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice" Cross.

I don't like it:

Here's one of mine:

The name sounds very Bavarian. Also, Bamberg is in Bavaria.

BTW, is it certain that he was already Major in 1937? Or could the tunic have been updated later?

Too bad, he seems to be invisible in the usual ranklists. I don't have the last Bavarian ranklists, however.

My guess is that besides the EK and BMVO4X, he may have had some unofficial Bavarian dynastic awards, like the Prince Rupprecht medal and Golden Wedding medal 1918. Probably also the various commemorative awards (Austria, Hungary, ...), which already makes quite a long bar.

Chris

Would it be possible for a person with so much government service time to have NO other awards?

It seems that at least some military and Custom's service were performed in the 1933-45 time period?

There are several possibilities. The most probable one is that he had only a KVK2 and wore it from his buttonhole. He could even have worn several from the buttonhole, like KVK2 and East Front Medal.

Chris

Marc,

what is the name? I have recently posted a list of senior Flak officers, and maybe we would find out what awards this officer had.

Chris