Zaim Qyteza

Dear SasaYU, Very interesting pictures. Can you furnish their dates? 1942? 43? 44? Do you have pictures of Yugoslavian partisans with the ranks. In this period (second part of 1944), the Albanian partisans has the same rank system with them. Here attach some photo of Albanian partisans, 1944. The first is an Captain. He wears a recycled jacket M.36 of ex Albanian Army of King Zog period, with the ranks M.44 of partisan Army. The second is an second lieutenant in summer uniform M.44. Regards, Artan

Dear Hoard, The color of great eagle of the Collar is black, you must be sure for this. Klietmann on his Ordens Lexicon descript very well this decoration. Does not exist a statute for the Collar. A part of the comments that we have done for inaccurate during the period of Wied, we can apply for Zog period. See attach a photo of Zog as President in 1926, when he wear together, the neck badge of SO, the star of SO and the grand sash of SO !!! Real ridiculous. Regards, Artan

Dear James, The order of precedence was: 1. Collar of Albania (only for the King and, in theory, for foreigner chiefs of state). 2. Order of Bravery (maybe never conceded, except the King Zog piece). 3. Order of Fidelity (maybe less 10 pieces conceded). 4. Order of Skanderbeg (normally conceded). Dear Mr. Wood, When the Italians occupied Albania. they find in Tirana all the stock of Orders produced and either non awarded (I have the documents and the inventory of this). I have seen some copies of diplomas of S.O. conceded from King Zog in exile, but I think that he gave only the diploma w/o the award in this period. Attention (!!!): I have seen some fakes in circulation, bought or sold as original in different serious auctions, but only the eye of an expert can distinguish them. Regards, Artan

E e e e e j j j j j ! Nobody else has anything to add on the Black Eagle Order topics? Regards, Artan

Dear James, I resend to you the same photo, with the names of the decorations. Regards, Artan

Sorry. Wrong Message. Exact mesage:Dear Taras, Thank you for the pictures. Can you postpone all these, to this address:Gentleman's Military Interest Club > European (Non Communist States): Medals & Militaria > Southern European & Balkan States: Non Communist Era Best Regards, Artan

Dear Taras, Thank you for the pictures. Can you postpone all these, to this address:Gentleman's Military Interest Club > European (Non Communist States): Medals & Militaria > Central & Eastern European States: Non Communist Era > COLLAR OF ALBANIA and ORDER OF SKANDERBEG. Best Regards, Artan

Dear all, I saw that the speech has become only about the COLLAR OF ALBANIA and ORDER OF SKANDERBEG. For these reason I think to transfer it, to " type="#_x0000_t75">European (Non Communist States): Medals & Militaria > Southern European & Balkan States: Non Communist Era> COLLAR OF ALBANIA and ORDER OF SKANDERBEG. I do this, with the hope to not annoy the friends of the forum. Thank you all. Dear 922F, Very interesting your information about the Collar of Albania piece of king Albert I. Dear James, I think that the Collar of Skanderbeg Order (S.O.), does not exist. SO was created with law dt. 03.12.1925. In this Statute (article 3) was planned a 5 classes order, with another special class of Collar (the Collar for Zog and other chiefs of state) and with a Skanderbeg Medal in three classes: Collar of the Order Grand Sash Grand Officer Commander Officer Knight Gold Medal Silver Medal Bronze Medal In fact, then, the collar and the medals, was never produced. The same President Zog (1925-1928) and later King Zog I (1928-1939), has always worn the grand sash of SO. Regards, Artan

Dear all, I saw that the speech has become only about the COLLAR OF ALBANIA and ORDER OF SKANDERBEG. For these reason I think to transfer it, to " type="#_x0000_t75">European (Non Communist States): Medals & Militaria > Southern European & Balkan States: Non Communist Era> COLLAR OF ALBANIA and ORDER OF SKANDERBEG. I do this, with the hope to not annoy the friends of the forum. Thank you all. Dear 922F, Very interesting your information about the Collar of Albania piece of king Albert I. Dear James, I think that the Collar of Skanderbeg Order (S.O.), does not exist. SO was created with law dt. 03.12.1925. In this Statute (article 3) was planned a 5 classes order, with another special class of Collar (the Collar for Zog and other chiefs of state) and with a Skanderbeg Medal in three classes: Collar of the Order Grand Sash Grand Officer Commander Officer Knight Gold Medal Silver Medal Bronze Medal In fact, then, the collar and the medals, was never produced. The same President Zog (1925-1928) and later King Zog I (1928-1939), has always worn the grand sash of SO. Regards, Artan

Dear all, I saw that the speech has become only about the COLLAR OF ALBANIA and ORDER OF SKANDERBEG. For these reason I think to transfer it, to " type="#_x0000_t75">European (Non Communist States): Medals & Militaria > Southern European & Balkan States: Non Communist Era> COLLAR OF ALBANIA and ORDER OF SKANDERBEG. I do this, with the hope to not annoy the friends of the forum. Thank you all. Regards, Artan

Dear all, In his book ?Ordens Lexikon?, Klietmann writes that King Zog of Albania has awarded (around the years 1930) the King Albert I with the ?Collier d?Honneur d'Albanie (attached an image of this Collier). I have seen many sites where they speak about of the orders received from King Albert, but I did not find any sign of this Collier. Can anyone help me with any information about this question? Best Regards, Artan

Dear Bob, Certainly that the colonel is Soviet one. During the years 1947-1960, a number of Soviet officials, was in Albania as instructors and specialists near the units of the Albanian army. The text of certificate said: ?FOR UNTIRING WORK AND AKTIVITY TO ENFORCE THE POLITICAL-MILITARY PREPARATION AND THE FIGHTING ALERT OF THE UNITS OF THE ALBANIAN PEOPLE?S ARMY?.

Dear Sirs I have the impresion that this thread is going to be from "discourse for Wied" in "discourse for us". I believe that this thread (which has now filled 4 pages) is a real contribution to this interesting Order. I think that never before have been brought together so many documents on it, like here. For this reason, I prefer to bring here another document, with the hope that everyone (who has the ability) to do the same. Regards to all, Artan

Dear Theodor, Thank you for your help. Any help for the others? Best regards, Artan

Dear Eric, Thank you for these pics. If you have additional photos of this wonderful set, please send to us. Regards, Artan

Dear Eric, I am very happy for the photos you have sent. I also think that the box is not original. I am very interested in any contribute for this order and generally for Wied era. I send you my set of BEO. A part of them are find here in Albania, the others in different fairs in Italy. Thenk you again for the photos. Regards, Artan

Dear James, My exact point of view is that: We can not check accuracy on the terms used during the six months of Wied in Albania. If we find used the term ?Military Medal? instead of ?Black Eagle Medal? or, ?Albanian Eagle? instead of ?Black Eagle? this should not be understood as another medal or order, but as simply inaccuracy. The same reasoning can applies to the Babilonia of languages spoken in Durres at that moment. By the way, can you tell me what the hell of language is speaking in this picture the Prusian prince of Wied with an aborigine of mountains of Albania? Regards, Artan

Dear Hoard, The same Heaton-Armstron who was secretary of the Black Eagle Order, call him simply ?Albanian Eagle Order? in his book (!!!). Regards, Artan

Dear James, The Classes of the orders in Albanian, during the period of King Zog and King V-E III, were: 1. Grand Cross: Kordon i Madh me Yll (Grand Cordon with Star). 2. Grand Officer: Oficer i Madh. 3. Commander: Kumandar. 4. Officer: Oficer. 5. Knight: Kalores. Regards, Artan

My dear poor Mr. Hoard, You are very European people to comprehend what Albania was. The Prime minister of Wied, Turhan pascia Permeti, spoke in French with the Prince, in Turkish with his ministers and the Albanians, in Persian with his staff and in Italian or French with the diplomatic corp. Generally the cultured Albanians of that period, spoke between us in French or in Turkish. You use a very sounding title of ?Marshal of the Court?, but you forgot that this person was a simple Turkish-Albanian bey. I agree with you, for the lisle of Klietmann. No, he does include in his list Heaton-Armstrong, but include the secretary of Khedive of Egypt for Grand Officer Class. King Zog for his Orders of Besa and Skanderbeg, don?t use the word ?Grand Cross? but ?Grand Star? (Yll i Madh). However I think that to the Prince was not presented the problem of the word ?cross?, because he had much more serious problems during his troublous days in Durr?s and because only two Albanians received the class of Grand Cross (both of them Muslims). Ps. Dear 922F, please help me to convince Mr. Hoard that ?Military Medal? is the same with ?Medal of the Black Eagle Order?. Best regards to all, Artan

Dear Sirs, Through you, I found the site http://www.onderscheidingenforum.nl. In this site, I found a list of the Dutch officers decorated with the Black Eagle Order. According to this list, are 13 Dutch officers decorated with the class of Officer of BEO. But from the other side, to the Ordens Lexikon of Klietmann, does exist any Dutch decorated with the Officer of BEO. How can resolve this controversial? Decorated with Officer Clas of BEO, according to Klietmann: Date:1 A German officer. 04.08.19142 Dr. R. Wendelmuth, German historian. 19183 Archivrat Schoppl, Regensburg, German Historian of Wied. 19234 A German, staff person (diploma of 1921). 08.19145 ? (diploma of 1923). 01.09.19146 An official of the Princess Schonburg-Waldenburg Court. 19197 ? ?8 A German Jurist. 19209 A Wiener scholar. ?10 An Albanian poet, author of Albanian national anthem. 1921 Regards, Artan

Hi Eric, You are right. He is Shefqet bey Verlaci, in a photo of 1939, when he was primeminister of Albania (1939-1942) under king V-E III. Regards, Artan