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And another very interesting photo

Well, second type, 3rd class, 1 grade is certanly something... But another highlight of this bar is japanese red cross medal (life member) mounted german style!!!

In this case you gonna like this one too

What really bothers me is the information (thanks again Glenn! ) from Deutsche Ordens-Almanach of 1908/1909 that lists two medals "Erinnerungsmedaille" and the "Verdienstmedaille". Trost in his "Die Ritter- und Verdienstorden des XIX. Jahrhunderts" described "Verdienstmedaille" (four classes, etc..) Stammliste des Marine-Sanitäts-Offizierkorps in 1906 described medal of our Doctor as "CgM: chinesische goldene Erinnerungsmedaille" If this the last description is the right one, then A) we didn't see this mysterious "Verdienstmedaille"/"Medal for Merits"/(Morton&Eden variant)"Medal for Meritorious Deeds and Achievement" and all medals in this thread are "Erinnerungsmedaille"/"Commemorative Medal". B) Verdienstmedaille = Erinnerungsmedaille (is it possible? ) What do you think guys? Scenario A? Scenario B? Or maybe you have scenario C? Cheers, Nick

Yep, patina could be very tricky ;)

What a terrible thing to say Frank! ... and usually cheaper The real one will cost around $1200-$1500 :whistle:

Exactly! If

Same medal again! Different manufacturer Same ribbon, same form of the badge, same enamel shades (note that even dark blue enamel on the perimeter of central medallion is still there) same hieroglyphs and same material - silver (or Silber if you like auction-house description ) All three look like silver pieces to me. According to description in the Stammliste des Marine-Sanitäts-Offizierkorps of 1906 our hero Oskar Nenninger was awarded with "CgM: chinesische goldene Erinnerungsmedaille." Goldene !!! Maybe he was awarded with 2nd Class in Gold (ribbon without rosette)? But why then the medal in the bar looks like it was made in silver (for example it is patinated like silver)? One possibility is that "gold" means gold-plated... Or maybe Herr Trost was wrong Cheers, Nick

Ok. Let me get this straight. We are dealing with two medals that have very similar design. In turn both medals were designed after sash badges for 1st and 2nd classes of the Order of Double Dragons. One medal is Verdienstmedaille (Medal for Meritorious Deeds and Achievements) Number of classes (if there are any) and ribbon color are not known (?) The other medal is Erinnerungsmedaille (Commemorative Medal) It has four (!!!) classes and light blue ribbon. --------------------------------------- In turn my personal optische Wahrnehmung tells me, that in post #4 (Erinnerungsmedaille) and in post # 11 (Verdienstmedaille) we observe one and the same medal (only manufacturers are different). Nein? Sincerely yours, ein verworrener Kopf :cheers:

Thank's a lot for this info Glenn! Best regards, Nick

Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately... consider current prices for tigers ) I didn't.

Wise seller!

Yep. Saw these too .. From the house of exemplary stout drinker So "Medal for Meritorious Deeds and Achievements" had only one class. But Glenn's german sources (as far as I understand) mentioned gold and silver versions.

Yep. I realize this ... now P.S. Any info about number of classes and statute? P.P.S. Blame auction-house, not me

First of all - great photo Glenn! Aha! Now I understand. That's why you think that this strange looking double dragon is not a double dragon, but this mysterious goldene Erinnerungsmedaille. Do you have any additional info about these chinese Erinnerungsmedaille? One thing is for sure - this badge/medal in the bar has nothing to do with 3rd class 1st grade order of Double Dragon Cheers, Nick

For this to happen we need eBay I wonder if the price will be above or beyond 50 k's ... Let's wait and see

Sorry Glenn, what is this "Chinese Golden Commemorative Medal"? Sorry, what is "CDIII1"? Chinese dragon third class first grade? Actually the auction description is quite strange "2. Modell, 3. Grad." 2 type, 3rd grade? Obviously these guys forget that Double Dragon had five classes. In turn three higher classes were divided into 3 grades. First class with three grades Second class with three grades Third class with three grades Forth class (for soldiers - no grades) Firth class ( for businessman - no grades) The strangest thing is that the badge we see in the bar has form of 1st and 2nd class badges (not the form of the 3rd class badge which is indeed neck order as you mentioned ), but instead of the stone in the middle we see two hieroglyphs ... Regards, Nick

Interested? http://page19.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/x285742587?u=%3botakaraya324 Enjoy! ¥801000 already and 5 days to go ...

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Auction-house description of the bar Nachlass Marine-Generalarzt Dr. Oskar Nenninger Große elfteilige Ordensspange. Preußen: Roter-Adler-Orden, Kreuz 4. Klasse mit Krone; DA-Kreuz für 25 Dienstjahre der Offiziere; Deutsches Reich: China-Denkmünze für Kämpfer, 1901; Südwestafrika- Denkmünze für Nichtkämpfer, 1907; Preußen: Zentenarmedaille, 1897; Türkei: Goldene Liyakatmedaille; Silberne Imtiyazmedaille; China: Orden vom goldenen Drachen. An Quernadel. Große fünfteilige Ordensspange. Preußen: Roter-Adler-Orden, Kreuz 4. Klasse mit Krone; DA-Kreuz für 25 Dienstjahre der Offiziere; Deutsches Reich: China-Denkmünze für Kämpfer, 1901; Südwestafrika-Denkmünze für Nichtkämpfer, 1907; Preußen: Zentenarmedaille, 1897. An Quernadel. Türkei: Medjidie-Orden, 3. Klasse. Silber, mit silbervergoldetem emaillierten Medaillon, an Halsband mit Metallschließe, in rotem Samtetui (defekter Verschluss) mit Etikett des Juweliers Haronatchi, Konstantinopel. Türkei: Medjidie-Orden, 5. Klasse. Silber, mit silbervergoldetem Medaillon, an Band, in rotem Samtetui. China: Orden des doppelten Drachen, 2. Modell, 3. Grad. Silber, mit emailliertem Medaillon und Saphierzentrum, an Band (ersetzt) mit Messingschließe, in Holzetui (Seidenüberzug schadhaft).

Very interesting bar Obviously we are talking about participant of the Boxer Rebellion punitive expedition Unfortunately only obverse photo

Obverse/reverse