Bob

I am travelling to Jordan in 1.5 weeks - anybody with advice to hunt down orders/medals there?

By the way, in Syria (was there 3 years ago) I recall behind the old mosque in the main souq in Damascus there's orders/medals to be found including (overpriced) Soviet.

Thanks

Some additional, unfortunately undocumented, badges came my way which - from reliable source - also belonged to Jamyan and are an indication of the time he spent in Europe. Also a reminder for me to dig up the stack of documents which I had not reviewed (or posted) in great detail. They may fit to some of these:

1) Mongolian Honorary Badge of the People's Control and Inspection Committee of the MPR. Serial number 308

2) Hungarian Civil Defense 30 Year anniversary Badge

3) Hungarian Civil Defense Badge (beautiful tiny badge with machine gun on it)

4) Bulgarian Badge of the People's Control of the Socialist Bulgaria

5) Bulgarian Badge of the International Children's Assembly held in Sofia in 1979. Silver made, with peace sign on it

6) Bulgarian Honorary Badge of Central Committee for Fighting Fascism and Capitalism (1923-1944) with red star

7) Bulgarian Honorary Badge of Central Committee for Fighting Fascism and Capitalism (1923-1944) without red star

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/50937-awarded-to-a-hungarian/page__pid__466306#entry466306

Above thread contains a nice document giving permission to a Hungarian to wear a Mongolian award

Pic 2

A collecting friend not active on this forum forwarded me this. I don't think we've seen this yet? Or perhaps for awards to Russians?

In any case, a very common Mongolian medal with document... interesting for having been awarded to a Hungarian (probably in military?). To fit the award in his other medals in terms of "look" he changed the suspension for a red triangular one with specially added blue stripes.

Added is also a Hungarian "permission" document: "The Presidential Council of the Hungarian Peoples Republic grants permission no. I-25/4/71 to Lajos (pronounce as "Lajosh") Durko to wear the Commemorative Medal "50th Anniversary of the Mongolian Peoples Army" which was instituted by the Great Peoples Hural of the Mongolian Peoples Republic".

My area of collecting is Mongolia and Albania mainly, but would like to know more about the Netherlands orders/medals as well. Is this book "Orders and Decorations of the Netherlands" by Meijer, Mulder & Wagenaar the "standard" reference work that's best to get to learn more? Or is there another (up to date?) one?

Thanks,

Bob

I think the person in the middle is Sodnomdarjaa.

Thanks - I also thought he looked familiar. I'll try to zoom in on his awards and see if I can validate based on that.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/36164-1920s-order-of-the-red-banner/page__hl__%2Bred+%2Bbanner__fromsearch__1

For those interested, above is link to very interesting (at least, that's my subjective view:)) thread on Sodnomdarjaa (and his documented Red Banner)

. . . and, finally.

These photos deserve some close and focused study.

Any insight into who's on this pic? Especially the middle person?

Old news but still nice:)

www.president.mn

2009-08-24

President Elbegdorj confers war veteran a title of “Hero of the state”

By the Decree of President of Mongolia, Tsakhia Elbegdorj, veterans of Khalkhyn Gol war (1939) were awarded with honorary titles and medals. Among them was Gungaa Dugaryn, veteran of 1939 Khalkhyn Gol battle, World War II, and 1944, 1947 battles of Western province, whom President Elbegdorj awarded with Hero of the State title, Order of Sukhbaatar, and “Golden Star” medal for his courage and selfless service to his country.

Order of Sukhbaatar was awarded to veterans, Damdinjav Tsagaany, Unenbat Jigmedyn, Suren Nyamyn; Order of Red Banner of Military Merit was awarded to veterans, Nyam Dendevyn, Jamyan Damirangyn, Tseveldorj Sodnomyn, Tsookhuu Sharkhuugyn, Genden Tamjidyn, Ayurzana Buniagyn; Order of Military Merit was awarded to veterans Laagan Ochiryn, Luvsanbazar Damdingyn, Sanjaa Shagdaryn, Demberel Doljingyn, Lkhamjav Surengyn, Naran Munkh-Ochiryn, Sumiya Ognongyn.

When addressing veterans, who fought for Mongolia’s independence and freedom, President Elbegdorj drew an example from the personal history of newly-awarded Hero of the State, Gungaa Dugaryn. He said “D. Gungaa is the pioneer and the leader of our courageous falcons, who fought for our country. In September 1939, in merely a month’s period, he carried out 158 battle flights, a number which counts as one the highest records set by combat pilots in the world warfare history. Moreover, he is one of the first combat pilots to fight in battles of western province, and a heroic patriot who put an end to the military confrontation with the Guomingdang force. Each and every one of you is a great hero, same as D.Gungaa, and your devotion, and patriotism will be remembered by our future generations and by the Government of Mongolia.”

and...

Two more pics: Sodnomdarjaa in 1930s and another one where he has rosettes beneath his orders (rarely found these rosettes unfortunately).

Sodnomdarjaa is posing with comrades including the Deputy Commander of Mongolian People's Revolutionary Army Sambuu to his right(circa mid 1930s). ' alt='' class='ipsImage' >

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Lt. General Jamyan and Soviet citizens talking to Partisan Togtokh in his flat

http://albanianheritagecenter.org/

Interesting, incl. also reference to the publication of the Federation of Albanian Collectors

Bob, below is the translation of the hand-written Mongolian text on the inside cover of the document.

Office of the President.

#109

Socialist Republic of Vietnam

Independence, Freedom and Happiness

Order Certificate

J. Jamyan from Mongolia is awarded the Order of Friendship by the decree # 57 of the President of Socialist Republic of Vietnam dated June 20, 1978.

Hall of the President.

Hanoi city. June 20, 1978

Thanks - unfortunately no reason given but who knows, there may at some point be hope in the Vietnamese archives (i'm not going to hold my breath on this though:))

And finally here a great picture (1981) of Jamyan with a group of Partisans of the revolution.

And here another one, Jamyan with a group of generals.

Of particular interest is the General (second on right; Jamyan himself is 3rd on the right) with as it appears 2 Soviet Orders of Red Banner and (possibly) also a Order of Friendship?

His name is is Lt. General Tseden-Ish. He was for many years the Vice-Minister of Public Security and Chief of Border Guard Troops Department. He was apparently one of the best border guard commanding officers. His picture is also illustrated in Urnukh Khuuji's book p. # 119.

Picture is dated 2004: "celebration of the 60th anniversary of the institution of the 'Mongolian General rank"

Will try to get more scans of documents when I have them as a guest again out of the safe place.

First though, some more photographs. Here is another picture of Jamyan (dated 1978).

I believe it is. Have a Cuban Hero of Labor myself.

I'm not so sure about it being as extremely rare as one would think based on the nr of actually awarded titles though. Suspect there's a case of "excess inventory escapees" - although even then, not very common to find these.

Somebody got a pretty good deal on kuenker.com - not me, i was logging in today to place bids but a few days too late:

Suche-Bator-Orden. 1. Ausführung (mit Schraube), Silber, Gold, Platin, teilweise emailliert, 65,6 g, auf dem Revers Trägernummer 94, an Schraube mit Schraubscheibe. HF4 M4.1. II

Went for 2.200 Euro excl. auction fees.

I won't bother with the interiors of the 20 or so Mongolian docs.

There's also some things issing:

- For sure the wrestling association award

- Range of other documents / ribbon bars / swords / uniforms / etc which may pop up eventually

- For instance: 22048 medal book (labour medal i suspect), Order of Polar Star 17340 in 1975 doc, old style (green) document for KGB badge, an east german medal, various other low end Soviet medals/badges, 3x “world peace prize”, etc.

- Also a sad story: Jamyan had 3 SB's (of which one came with the Soyombo; all 3 not in my hands)... but they were stolen from his house several years ago while he was at a function. At his funeral replacement SB's were held on display while his awards were carried pinned on a cushion by his Border Guard Troop colleagues

The Chechoslovakian doc... wonder what this is for?

Supposedly a document belonging to a Mongolian "World Peace Prize" (never heard of that before...) - only the document

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_06_2011/post-679-0-72746400-1308417719.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_06_2011/post-679-0-00304600-1308417929.jpg

Not often we see Lao doc's/awards

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_06_2011/post-679-0-62702600-1308417618.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_06_2011/post-679-0-44186700-1308417632.jpg

http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_06_2011/post-679-0-26693700-1308417411.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_06_2011/post-679-0-53965500-1308417442.jpg

The Vietnamese doc with (I think) Mongolian on the reverse (indicating why/when the Friendship medal was awarded?)