Solomon

Around 1.116 crosses "am Band für Heimatverdienste" (white ribbon) are correct.

Below you will find two additional examples and a miniature-chain, for sure also with a cross for non-combatants.

Does anyone have the according award document? I´m still looking for one, somehow they do not appear on the market.

BR

Roman

At the front....

I will have to look it up...shouldn´t be difficult to find out.

I also assume that it was connected to a Kaisermanöver...

Prince Franz von Bayern became a house-order 1st class Lippe-Detmold on 20th November 1909....maybe this was somehow connected.

Edit:
There were some fitting additional awards on that day:
Stefan Reichlin von Meldegg, Adjudant of Prince Franz von Bayern received a house-order 4th class
Maximilian Zeller, Generalmajor of the Königl. Bayr.  2nd Kavallerie-Brigade got a 2nd class with oakleaves

and additionally two people connected to the kingdom Saxony got awarded, too.

Here is a medalbar, which fits perfectly to this topic...

Ferdinand Metzte´s medalbar I introduced in detail here

Hi folks,

I want to add another "award" Prince Leopold IV. became, but he was never wearing:

Bayern Erinnerungsabzeichen an die goldene Hochzeit 1918

Attached you will find the picture of his original award.

13 hours ago, Dave Danner said:

Oldwig Otto Wilhelm Gneomar v. Natzmer (1904-1980) was a Heer Generalleutnant. I don't know of a Luftwaffe general. DeZeng and Stankey have a Luftwaffe Oberst Gneomar v. Natzmer in their Luftwaffe officer list, but I don't know which Gneomar he was.

Hi Dave,
according to the name, this should be the son of the Flügeladjudant Lippe-Detmold Oldwig von Natzmer.

BR
Roman

Correct, mea culpa...he wrote u.s.w. ...but at the end the message is the same ?

Yes, he got the Kriegervereinskreuz on 30th May 1916 as No. 196 of the rolls.

On this receipt he was more engaged and listed all awards he received so far.

Butt it seems that at least until 1916 he didn´t receive the iron cross 1st class...

Haha, good question...I checked his receipt for the Lippe-Detmold house order 2ns class with swords at the ring,

which he awarded on 30th May 1918....Oldwig von Natzmer was a quite lazy guy and listed under "other awards"

just these three (quite strange) awards:

-Kriegsverdienstkreuz

-LD HO X (Lippe-Detmold house order with swords ???. class)

-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (which one???)

I also have another picture of him (see screenshot), but on the picture there is no award visible.

I´m quite sure, von Natzmer received am EK 1st class, but I have no proof for it.

Aaaah, the entry LD HO X must be Lippe-Detmold officer´s cross with swords, which he received on 17th Febraury 1917.

A look on his receipt for the officer´s cross with swords didn´t provide any additional information.

Von Natzmer was quite lazy to list all of his awards...he just listed:

- EK 2 = iron cross 2nd class

- Fürstl. Lippisches Kriegsverdienstkreuz

- R.A. 4 = red eagle order 4th class

- Fürstl. Lipp. Kriegsverdienstkreuz (???)

- u.v.m ( = and many more)

Good question, unfortunately there is no date marked on the back of this picture.

I will check again, when I´m back home....maybe I will find some additional information in my books.

By the way, the 2nd person person on the left side of the Fürst (you just can see his head in the background)

is Oldwig von Natzmer, Leopold´s Flügeladjudant...I have his ribbonbar in my collection ?

 )

One last point to add regarding Leopold IV.

He also became "Ehrendoktor" (doctor honoris causae) of the university Erlangen.

Below you will find a picture of him in between of the professors of the university....

@Deutschritter

I went again through all the photos and I discovered a phote from around 1936, on which I see three hanseatic crosses
in the middle of his medalbar, not previously mentioned...

So I would like to add to Leopold IV.´s awards as well
Lübeck Hanseatenkreuz

Bremen Hanseatenkreuz

Hamburg Hanseatenkreuz

Do you agree?

On 20/10/2021 at 17:46, Deutschritter said:

Roman identified the star in picture 1: "Mecklenburg-Strelitz order of the Wendish crown breast-star", which of course, as I have shown, it is not. Before this gets too complicated, and I am sure Roman well agree, his "1st picture from 1897" shows:

 

Lippischer Hausorden, Ehrenkreuz I. Klasse (LDH1)

Herzoglich Sachsen-Ernestinischer Hausorden, Großkreuz (HSH1)

Albrechtsorden, Großkreuz (SA1)

Zentenarmedaille, 1897

Yes, I confirm...by the way I also have a photo (and it is the only one out of the 120 I have), showing Prince Leopold IV.
wearing a minature-chain from around 1899.
Unfortunately the angle from which the photo was taken, doesn´t allow a identification of the miniatures,

but I´m quite sure, it isn´t the chain, offered actually by Weitze.

Regarding the Johanniter-order, I have another very rare and interesting photo of Leopold IV.´s father,

Grafregent Ernst zur Lippe-Biesterfeld...enjoy!

@Deutschritter

BTW, in your list one order is missing: Lippe-Detmold Goldene Verdienstmedaille, which he is wearing at the medalbar.

20 hours ago, Deutschritter said:

 One more small question, for picture #3 you write "Lippe-Detmold Leopold order owner´s cross" ... what exactly does that mean? Could you please translate in German?

 

 

I didn´t know the exact English translation for "Lippe-Detmold Leopoldorden Inhaberkreuz" ...

Quite strange, that he was wearing it beside the 2nd class of the Leopold order...

There is one very interesting point on the cross, he is wearing.

According to the photo he was wearing a "Spangenstück" instead of the official awarded version, as shown below ?

Regarding the Sachsen-Ernestinischer Hausorden Bruststern, I found in my collection another, better photo from 1902.

At that time (not ruling yet the principality Lippe-Detmold) he was already wearing the SEHO breast-star and Albrecht-order...

9 minutes ago, Great Dane said:

My guess for the breast stars:

 

Hungary, Order of St. Stephen
Austria, Order of Leopold (also on the sash)

Thanks for the identification...that fits!

6th photo in uniform of th 12th hunter-regiment KuK army

medalbar:

Prussia iron-cross 2nd class

Lippe-Detmold war merit cross

Austria ?

Turkey golden Liakat medal

Turkey silver Liakat medal

Lippe-Detmold memorial medal 1897

Lippe-Detmold memorial medal 1905

Lippe-Detmold combatant´s association cross

Prussia centenar medal

unknown breast-star

Austria breast star

Here I need some help with the Austrian orders....

4th picture

Prussia Order of the black eagle grand cross set

Lippe-Detmold Leopold-order collane of the ruling Prince

Prussia Iron cross 1st class

Lippe-Detmold cross for heroic deeds

Hohenzollern house-order knight´s cross with swords

Regarding the medalbar, I will post another (better) picture...

5th photo from December 1916

Prussia Johanniter-order

....and....uppps ?

3rd photo in uniform of the 55th regiment:

Waldeck house-order 1.st class (neck-cross)

Prussia Red Eagle order breast-star

unknown breast-star

medalbar (incl. already mentioned orders):

Lippe-Detmold house-order 3rd class

Lippe-Detmold Leopold order 1st type 2nd class

Lippe-Detmold Leopold order owner´s cross

Lippe-Detmold house-order golden cross

Lippe-Detmold memorial medal 1897

Lippe-Detmold memorial medal 1905

Lippe-Detmold golden merit medal

Lippe-Detmold combattant´s association cross 1907 ("Kriegervereinskreuz")

No, the painting is still in the castle...no idea, why the rest was sold.

I only know, who was involved in the selling...

Anyhow, let´s dive into Leopold IV.´s orders:

1st picture from 1897:

He is wearing

Lippe-Detmold house-order 1st class

Prussia Centenar-medal 1897

Mecklenburg-Strelitz order of the Wendish crown breast-star

Saxony Albrecht-order breast-star

2nd picture from 1905 (I will only list, what was not previously mentioned):

Lippe-Detmold grand cross set of the ruling Prince (breast-star)

Lippe-Detmold house-order 3rd class

Lippe-Detmold memorial medal 1897 (Erinnerungsmedaille an den Einzug des Grafregenten Ernst 1897)

Uuuuuh, the perfect topic for me, as I have actually more than 120 different photos of Prince Leopold IV. in my collection....from 1899 until 1949.

Let me look through all these pictures and see what´s missing.

At least the Waldeck house-order 1st class is missing. I only have one picture, on which he is wearing it.

Unfortunately I also don´t have the award-dates for the "foreign" orders, like Waldeck, Mecklenburg-Strelitz.

And even more anoying...in the meantime all these breast stars and orders were sold by the actual Prince.

10 years ago, these orders were still in the Detmold castle.

BR

Roman

Here are some private pictures of him, as my great grandfather served on the SMS Danzig...

I have a postcard from Kneußl in my collection.

He received from Lippe-Detmold´s side:

House-order 3rd class (which he is wearing on the picture) as Major in the Koeniglich Bayrisches Leib-Infanterie Regiment

on 3rd May 1906.

Best regards

Roman

I just want to add the twin to the shown mini-chain....
Conrad Trauthahn used to be "Gewerbeaufseher" (industry inspector) in Bielefeld.

On 13/04/2021 at 21:53, Beau Newman said:

I thought I would revive this topic with this little mini chain.  The center award appears to be a 2nd Type Leopold Order, 3rd Class.  The Red Eagle 4th is not unusual but, the Russian 1904/05 Red Cross medal is.  With so few of the Leopolds awarded and the unusual Russian connection, is an ID possible?

 

 

That was rather easy, as the Leopoldorden 3rd class was not often awarded.

I´m pretty sure it belongs to
Semjon Lipliawsky, Dr.med Prof., Head of the Russian Institute in Berlin, born in Wiatka, Russia on 24th April 1874.

He got the Leopoldorden 3rd class Lippe-Detmold on 27th December 1912.

At that time he didn´t have any other award (or he forgot to state them on his receipt).

By the way, very nice miniature chain....:-)