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You are most welcome, Markus. Unfortunately I think there was overlapping, which, when you think about it, is not illogical. Why would they make a different depiction of the saint Sava when only the royal cipher was replaced with the year of institution. I'm not trying to say that your order is not 1st type, it's just that I can't say for sure. For example take a look at this one. Source: http://libraryblogs.is.ed.ac.uk/untoldstories/tag/order-of-st-sava/ It was awarded in in June 1915 to Colonel Sir William Hunter so it must be 2nd type.

Thanks! I do my best to post every piece of information and photo I find online regarding new Serbian decorations.

If someone did that on purpose in order to make a "special variant" then he or she is an idiot. It seems more likely, at least to me, that someone decided to pretty it up after losing part of the order with motto surrounding St. Sava.

I'm pleased to hear it found a good new home, my congrats on such a great addition to your collection! Thanks for the link, I somehow missed it. Difference between 1st and 2nd class star is their size. If I remember well 1st class star should be 90mm and 2nd class 84mm, at least in theory, actual size can vary a little bit. There's a small "trick" how to quickly tell which class is the star. Badge on the first class star should be the same size as 1st/2nd/3rd class badge, and badge on the 2nd class star should be the same size as 4th/5th class order. As to your other question, I don't know any other way for telling them apart, but in some cases that is not very reliable method. I've seen stars from 1st type sets with depiction of St. Sava looking exactly the same as on some 2 type stars in terms of details and quality.

I see that one more interesting piece found its way to emedals. I presume the central metal piece with inscription and Danilo's cipher fell off and someone replaced it. The cipher that we can see is unusually large and lacks the princely crown, that is something I've never seen on Mayer's piece. http://www.emedals.com/a-montenegrin-order-of-danilo-second-class-breast-star-by-vinc-mayer-wien Link to Bene Merenti auction: http://www.benemerenti.de/php/us_vorschau.php?lnr=4&wnr=ABB LotNo.: 0121 "Very curios issue, where the medaillon shows only the cipher, without the crown and its surrounding motto."

One more interesting Sorlini's St. Sava got sold on Bene Merenti recently. Now you can see it on emedals: http://www.emedals.com/a-serbian-order-of-st-sava-grand-cross-breast-star-1915-1941 Link to BM auction: http://www.benemerenti.de/php/us_vorschau.php?lnr=4&wnr=ABB LotNo.: 0939 "The medallion wreath in variant issue" whatever that means.

Who knows, I don't know where are they coming from but most of the guys thought some ex-Yu country.

Just beautiful! I can't find it on their website. Considering the size it must be Grand Officer, but it's a bit smaller than it should be.

There has been a lot of talk about fake India&Burma medals on a certain forum. Here's another example some collectors presented as fake. Photos are from ebay. There's definitely a "new" feel to it...

Museum of Yugoslav History Tito's uniform Tito's and Kardelj's File Interesting German wanted posters for Draža Mihailović "the bandit leader" and Tito "the communist leader" Award: 100.000 Reichsmarks in gold Source: http://www.blic.rs/kultura/vesti/tito-i-draza-izasli-iz-podruma-muzej-istorije-jugoslavije-otvorio-depo-za-posetioce/nn53c2k

Golden Medal for Merits (Златна медаља за заслуге) awarded to Zvonko Bogdan. Source: espreso.rs

Medal for Achievements in Sport (Војна спомен-медаља за достигнућа у спорту) awarded to Nevena Ignjatović. Source: skijanje.rs

Greetings Martin and welcome to GMIC. I posted a list of British recipients HERE, your grand uncle's name is there of course. Company sergeant major John Moore was awarded with Silver Soldiers' Star.

Thank you very much for those photos. Just a few of them are circulating the internet and they are not very good. In my opinion this first type/prototype looks much better. Too bad they didn't keep/accept that design... It would be great if someone could reveal the story behind it, were they being awarded at all or not? Anyway here's one of those other photos found at sammler. IKOM perhaps, number is different and the screw nut is very unusual.

Dear Jovan, I can't thank you enough for posting that document! May I ask you is it a part of your collection? If not could you please tell me where is it kept? The recipient in question is brother of my direct-line ancestor! It must be extremely rare because even Car&Muhić wrote that it's not known were documents being issued for the first type of Serbian Red Cross Order (Principality era type). This is the first time I see it! Regards, Radmilo

Don't mention it, it took only couple of minutes.

Illustration of what Paul said, quickly made in photoshop.

That idea did cross my mind so I took a closer look. So far everything seems fine, the details look very good, especially when we have in mind that this is a miniature. Some other genuine ones I've seen are nowhere near that quality.

Thanks Paul, I can see the resemblance.

SERBIA MEDAL SERVICE PRINCELY HOUSEHOLD 1878-1882 MINIATURE Unbelievable, until recently I knew only of one example, not this is the fourth miniature I see in less than a month.

One more submarine badge, 1st type. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SFRJ-YUGOSLAVIA-SUBMARINE-BREAST-BADGE-/322116300969?hash=item4affa0b0a9%3Ag%3AdR4AAOSw71BXQEas&nma=true&si=l4B%2FuOjZ6%2B%2FJqR71sSH3NHTH7hg%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

First thought, Frankenstein, but the back side of the star doesn't look that promising, I see you also have some doubts regarding the marks. Authentic or not, does anyone have an idea what could that star be? Or maybe it's a completely "original" design specially made to be combined with St. Sava eagle.

Just checked out other auctions, some of the ribbon bars from this lot don't look authentic to me. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SFRJ-YUGOSLAVIA-9-SET-OF-RIBBON-BARS-FOR-DRESS-UNIFORM-/162088534579?nma=true&si=l4B%2FuOjZ6%2B%2FJqR71sSH3NHTH7hg%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 I've seen ribbon rolls and metal applications being sold separately so I guess it's possible someone bought them and started making ribbon bars from original material.

One from my collection for comparison.

Fantasy? It seems that the two-headed eagle is from St. Sava Order. Winning bid: US $1,256.21 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RUSSIA-MADE-SERBIA-SILVER-BREAST-STAR-WITH-BRILLIANTS-STONES-SUPERB-QUALITY-/222180348821?hash=item33bafb1395%3Ag%3A9hcAAOSwbYZXf43W&nma=true&si=l4B%2FuOjZ6%2B%2FJqR71sSH3NHTH7hg%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557