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This interesting clasp was handmade. It would seem that this veteran felt he was entitled to the Somme-Defensive clasp.

Sorry I did not show the back with the Word "FRANCE" so I took this clasp off a piece of ribbon I keep all my odd clasps on. Regards Jim

This Navy clasp is also showing up a lot on the market, note they look like they were painted black then wiped off to make them look old. I seen them in Aviation, Submarine, and Naval Battery style.

Clasps: 1. My clasp. 2. The clasp that sold on ebay for $356 or 222 GPB. The letters and clasp style matches No.1, but not the stars. 3. As you can "all" see, the Stars on Nos 2 and 3 are without question in the same manufacturer family. Yet neither the letters or clasp style match No.2. 4. This clasp, the lettering and half moon ends all match No.3, but not the stars. 5. Note the star are the same as No.1, yet the lettering is the same as No.3, 4 and 5. And like Nos.3, 4 and 5 there is no spacers at each end. Some people think that Nos. 3, 4 and 5 were made by Bailey Banks and Biddle. I do not! Ask yourself why would BB&B make a Navy clasp (No.3) in an Army style clasp when they already had their own Navy style clasp? I also posted these: This photo just above has three clasps in it. note they all have the same style clasp, lettering and stars as my clasp of the "Large Fleet" clasp, I listed in the very top grouping.. The single clasp below the three clasp is all in the same style lettering, clasp and stars as the $356. "Large Fleet" clasp. or No.2 in the photo in the top grouping. To me this photo clearly shows that at some point there was a change in the stars and later a change to the clasp design. Without question these clasps are French made!

I am beside myself on this bid, This medal just sold for $355.99 + S&H If you want to see this ebay item number 350563346572 a U.S. Victory Medal done in a navy style, but using an army style (not an authorized style) but fantasy style clasp. This clasp is "French made", and the person who made this reproduction miss understood the English use of the word "Grand" Fleet and put the English word "Large" Fleet on the fake clasp. This French fantasy set can be found with both the Large Fleet and the Grand Fleet clasp. Some where along the line someone pointed the Large Fleet error out. As some as I can dig out my $12 Large Fleet clasp, I will post it.

Hi I enclose two photos for everyone enjoyment Regards, Jim M.

Hi Bill, from the photo it looks like a official type 2, but I could be wrong. What is of more interest to me is the barrel suspension, it looks like type found on the U.S. Vic's. Is this item foe sale? Regards Jim

Bill you got yourself a nice example of Type-1 Jim

I think it would a nice purchase for $100 - $150. but no more than that. But if I wanted a Unofficial type 3 and believed that I might not find one in better condition then this one, then maybe $210 is the right price. I can not spend from your wallet for you. I have my own rules: (1) if I want it, I will buy it and I will take a small lose and will sell it when I find a better example. (2) If I think I will second agree myself as to should I have brought the item then I will just walk away from the item.

Good morning Bill, That medal has been on the WWW for several year. I do collect a few good reproductions or a better term for them "fakes". I use the word fake because, the medal we collect were issued to the soldiers who earned the real Victory medal. No matter how we soften the word fake, these other medals are to fool or fill in a collection. Here are my rules for buying. Issue - Government issue only. Re-strike, re-issue - The Government or someone who was authorized or approved in making the original style medals. Fantasy - never were issued by the Government, an example of this is U.S. campaign clasps. After market - an item that is known and sold not as an official issue, but as a collect's fill item. Unofficial - made before the original or made different from the original with no intent to fool. Bogus, copy, fakes or reproduction - these are meant to fool the public "if" there is no reference to it "not" being the original. Bill as you can see it is endless, these are always on ebay. Some express what they are selling you, while others try to mislead. (The price does not make it original). Regards, Jim

Hi Bill I loved your posting on Brazil yesterday day. As for this Cuban Medal you posted, in my mine the medal is original and that is even without seeing the marking on the rim.

Lambert Thanks for posting many good photos of this medals. But this medal is a fake that has been around for a long time maybe the 1960's Regards, Jim

I have noticed this bidder, bids on a lot of things. When he sets his mine to the fact that he wants it, he put a very high number so matter what you bid you will lost. He just won all four items and all four are sand casted items? 1. Cuban sand casting = $236.50 item # 260946754425 2. Greek sand casting = $224.50 item #250985650285 3. Italian sand casting = $52.02 item #250985646621 4. Siam sand casting $235.95 ( the sand cast was of the repro medal not the original one). item #250985637512 I post this to say to all members if you need help in ID-ing something reach out to one of the many forum members for a second opinion by sending them a email.

I have noticed this bidder, bids on a lot of things. When he sets his mine to the fact that he wants it, he put a very high number so matter what you bid you will lost. He just won all four items and all four are sand casted items? 1. Cuban sand casting = $236.50 item # 260946754425 2. Greek sand casting = $224.50 item #250985650285 3. Italian sand casting = $52.02 item #250985646621 4. Siam sand casting $235.95 ( the sand cast was of the repro medal not the original one). item #250985637512 I post this to say to all members if you need help in ID-ing something reach out to one of the many forum members for a second opinion by sending them a email.

I have noticed this bidder, bids on a lot of things. When he sets his mine to the fact that he wants it, he put a very high number so matter what you bid you will lost. He just won all four items and all four are sand casted items? 1. Cuban sand casting = $236.50 item # 260946754425 2. Greek sand casting = $224.50 item #250985650285 3. Italian sand casting = $52.02 item #250985646621 4. Siam sand casting $235.95 ( the sand cast was of the repro medal not the original one). item #250985637512 I post this to say to all members if you need help in ID-ing something reach out to one of the many forum members for a second opinion by sending them a email.

I have noticed this bidder, bids on a lot of things. When he sets his mine to the fact that he wants it, he put a very high number so matter what you bid you will lost. He just won all four items and all four are sand casted items? 1. Cuban sand casting = $236.50 item # 260946754425 2. Greek sand casting = $224.50 item #250985650285 3. Italian sand casting = $52.02 item #250985646621 4. Siam sand casting $235.95 ( the sand cast was of the repro medal not the original one). item #250985637512 I post this to say to all members, if you need help in ID-ing something reach out to one of the many forum members for a second opinion by sending them a personal email.

There seems to be several sand casted Vic's medal for sale on ebay by same dealer, check them and see if you agree? They are not marked as modern reproductions - Feb 1, 2012 Italian Item number: 250985646621 Greek Item number: 250985650285 Cuban Item number: 260946754425

There seems to be several sand casted Vic's medal for sale on ebay by same dealer, check them and see if you agree? They are not marked as modern reproductions - Feb 1, 2012 Italian Item number: 250985646621 Greek Item number: 250985650285 Cuban Item number: 260946754425

There seems to be several sand casted Vic's medal for sale on ebay by same dealer, check them and see if you agree? They are not marked as modern reproductions - Feb 1, 2012 Italian Item number: 250985646621 Greek Item number: 250985650285 Cuban Item number: 260946754425

Yes Bill this is just part of my US collection, Thanks Jim M.

Good Morning I hope you all will enjoy my posting. These groups are different from each other and there are more which I will post at a later day. This is why it is interesting to collect US Victory medals. Regards, Jim M.

To me either price for this Original type 1, is good. I have three and i paid more than either (75 -100) price.

No you are not getting obsessive, The middle one is a fake plain and simple! To me this medal is not - A "re" production of the original item put out by the original people or factory, nor is it a second production of that item. If it was "marked" as a reproduction by the new maker than it is a reproduction. But when it is sold not as a reproduction, but was sold as an original and was made to look like an original medal then it is a "fake" with the sole intention of fool you out money.

On the item which you pointed out as selling on ebay. Look at the color of the metal it is one of the easier fake's to find, which should be very helpful to any one checking your posting. http://www.ebay.co.u...=item43ac8c0175 As far as the finish on the official Greek medal, it may all go back to how much money Greece had to spend for this medal after a very costly war.

Bill, the medal on ebay you listed, "to me" is a Official type 1, which if I needed type 1 Greek for my collection, I personally would make a bid on it.