J Temple-West

Maximilian Mayerl.

Posting this one for Peter. Werner Baumbach.

Lutter.

Meimberg.

Weik.

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Rall.

Glunz.

Litjens.

Bellof

Oh yes, The case.

Comparison of the dents made by broad-head pin and the EK in question. The signs are all positive for this being a variant setup and the craftsmanship is certainly a lot better than the norm. A private purchase piece, perhaps? So what do we think?

Note that the size of the dent caused by the head of the pin corresponds well. If the pin were replaced, I would expect to see a longer dent from the original pin head.

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Not being a collector of Imperial, I can?t put a time frame on the hinge and pin but I have seen this type of setup on one other Meybauer EK of the same period. The pin was certainly made for the hinge as it fits perfectly into the notch, which would mean that if there was a replacement the entire hinge was replaced..There are no signs of this as far as I can see. I?ll post some pix of the hardware and see what you think. Imo, The hinge and pin are original to the Cross.

P.M WW1 comparison with the WW2 example.

Reverse.

As mentioned, an L/13 marked example. Obverse.

Steve, That's the way I like to see them. Silver wash to the eagle, late reverse setup. Very nice!

The swas looks like it's almost at a right angle to the eagle. It could be that the eagle was pushed backwards through the wreath making the swas look like it's sitting over the wreath. As far as I know, there's no PB with a swas that big. addendum; Which might be an indication that it's the aluminium version.

The PB....I would go for Juncker 2nd pattern.

Hi de diddle, Dave You can just make out the arrow head pointing down, which would make it the Long-Range Day Fighter clasp.

I?m not sure what you mean by G?ring having ?several??Several what? Yes it?s true that G?ring had a penchant for edged weapons. Being a hunter, he had many exquisite side arms made and was rarely seen without some sort of dagger or sword. Many of his better known pieces were presented to him by various organizations and as gifts from family, friends and high ranking officials, the most well known of these being the ?Wedding Sword? presented to him by the Luftwaffe on the occasion of his marriage in 1935. Others include the golden sword from Mussolini and the Damascus bladed sword by Paul Mueller, presented to G?ring by the German industrial association in 1938. The term ?Honour Sword? I think relates to the Lufwaffe swords (Generalsdegan) that G?ring had made for presentation purposes, much in the same way that Himmler presented the SS honour sword to his officers. Follow the link for some photos and some background. http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com/item.html

A Good question, Dave. Seeing that the ?Juncker? factory was pretty much destroyed, leaving no records, it?s a very hard question to answer with any accuracy. Going on document groups that contain the various pattern styles, it can be speculated that the dates you mention are a good rough guide to the production time-frame for the J2. Whatever the reasons (The end of the die?s life perhaps) for the J2 series coming to an end were, ?Juncker? started the production of the J3. Initially the J3 was produced in buntmetal, as per the example shown by David which shows that the production run began at a time when high grade metals were still readily available (+- 1942). I think we can agree that zinc, being the alternative choice by the German orders manufacturing base, started during 1943 and lasted until the war?s end. I?m sure that in years to come, future collectors and historians will refine these dates as documentation is found in archives, collections and even the odd attic, but until then...we can only speculate. Btw... Nice birds, both.