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Michael R Hi Michael, I am a Navy collector from Cape Town South Africa and as with most (all) collectors tend to find other badges and buy them without knowing the background. I was fortunate to find 7 metal and 2 wire bullion small medical badges with kings crown today and while searching found your post with the small badge on the various rank slides, so thanks for posting them. Then my question is what is the value and would you or anyone you know be interested in buying them from me. Size 2.5 cm T-B and 2.2 across wings (L-R), lug fasteners on all metal badges. Payment would be to South Africa and buyer to pay postage.

Hi Will, Long time no contact with you, hope you are well. Do you still collect Sweet heart items? Neville Kemp

Hi all, The attached two badges are from the “old” South African independent homeland of Bophuthatswana. They both have similar cloth backing (same manufacturer) but the wreaths are different. I suspect that one could be Police and the other Defence force but they could be WO1 and WO2 from the same service. Does anyone have more information on the badges of the old “independent and Self Governing” South African homelands? Neville

Hi, The bottom is SA Prison Service, also now discontinued.

Funny I just posted this on another thread and was paging through so older posts when I came across this one. Here I have 4 generations but not having children myself it will stop here. Hi All, I was just wondering how many members have personal family medal groups and how many generations they go back. I am fortunate that we are a small family and I’m the only one with a interest in Militaria. The group is as follows: Maternal great grandfather: R J Britz (named and with service record). ABO medal Maternal grandfather :R J Britz WW2 Southern Rhodesia Service medal (unnamed) Paternal grandfather: N D Kemp (all named with service record) WW1 1914-15 Star WW1 Victory Medal WW1 British War Medal WW2 Africa Service medal WW2 War medal 39-45 Father B E Kemp (Sgt Maj Air Force 1982 - 1988) (numbered with service record) Military Merito Medal SADF General Service medal SADF Good Service medal - silver SADF Good Service medal - bronze WW2 War medal 39-45 WW2 Africa Service medal Son (me) N J Kemp (numbered with service record) SADF General Service medal SADF Good Service medal - bronze Naval Cadet Corps Service medal - bronze Neville

Hi All, I was just wondering how many members have personal family medal groups and how many generations they go back. I am fortunate that we are a small family and I’m the only one with a interest in Militaria so I got the following medals: The group is as follows: Maternal great grandfather: R J Britz (named and with service record). ABO medal Maternal grandfather :R J Britz WW2 Southern Rhodesia Service medal (unnamed) Paternal grandfather: N D Kemp (all named with service record) WW1 1914-15 Star WW1 Victory Medal WW1 British War Medal WW2 Africa Service medal WW2 War medal 39-45 Father B E Kemp (Sgt Maj Air Force 1982 - 1988) (named with service record) Military Merito Medal SADF General Service medal SADF Good Service medal - silver SADF Good Service medal - bronze WW2 War medal 39-45 WW2 Africa Service medal Son (me) N J Kemp (named with service record) SADF General Service medal SADF Good Service medal - bronze Naval Cadet Corps Service medal - bronze Neville

Back of badges

Attached is the photos as requested: Number 1 is the "old" Garrison (RSM) rank badge used from 1910? until 1960, after SA became a republic it was changed to the WO1 badge and from 1985 was worn with a color background by RSM's. Number 2 is the "old" WO1 rank badge as used until 1960 where after it became the WO2 badge replacing the British crown in a wreath WO2 badge. Number 3 is the badge that I got it is about 2/3 of the size.

Hi all, Help needed again. I found a small SA CoA badge in a scrap shop the other day. The badge looks exactly like the Warrant Officer badge (was WO1 until end 50’s and then become WO2 badge until 2002) but a lot smaller (2.5 cm wide and 2 cm high as opposed to the WO badge which is 3.3 cm wide and 2.9 cm high). I have seen a similar badge at another collector a number of years ago but it had a loose wreath around it (Garrison SM before 1960). The badge has two lugs and not pins and is brass not gilt indicating era before 1960’s ??? Any ideas, is it a: SA Army General Service collar badge? or UDF WO miniature for mess dress? or other??? Thanks Neville

Hi All, Hope someone can help. I think the attached badge is a KwaZulu Police badge (old South African homeland), is it a rank or cap badge? Thanking you in advance, Neville

SOUTH AFRICAN NAVY WO2 BADGE 1956 TO 1961 The SA Navy, in line with the Royal Navy abolished the Warrant Officer (WO) rank in 1949 with all existing WO’s moving into various Commissioned Officer posts. Because the SA Army and the SA Air Force still had the WO ranks there was a move to create similar ranks in the SAN. The SAN wanted to introduce a “Fleet Chief Petty Officer (FCPO)” rank equal the other WO’s. This was rejected by SADF and stated that a FCPO rank would be equal to CPO’s and Staff/Flight Sergeants. The SAN then fell in line with the other services except that although the WO1 badge was the same (plain Coat of Arms, the wreath was only for RSM’s) they used the Lion of Nassau (SAN Logo) within a wreath as the WO2 badge the Army and Air Force were at that stage still using the CW crown in wreath badge). With the formation of the Union in 1961 the badges changed to be the same throughout the SADF, plain CoA for WO2, CoA with in a wreath for WO1 and WO1 on a colour back ground for RSM/MAA (after 1985). The first WO2’s (6 in total) in the SAN were appointed in 1956, so only 6 people ever used this badge and only for about 5 years. It is very scarce and I only know of 4 badges in collections. Please note that the above is in my humble opinion and only based on hearsay from relatives of those WO’s, if any one has added information I would really appreciate it. Neville

The last one for this session is the SM:Special Forces, this I dont have in my collection as they are very scarce. Only one person wore this badge and for only 3 years, so only about 5 pairs were made. I have a copy in my collection and if anyone has a spare available please let me know. Neville

This is the SM: Quartermaster General Neville

The next 3 badges were not arms of service but divisions reporting directly to the Chief of the Defence Force and as such also had there own "Senior" Sgt Maj. All these were appointments so the rank stayed WO1, only in 2008 were the 5 levels of WO made ranks and I will show those rank badges later. This is the SM: Inspector General. Neville

The SM:Medical Health Service, this badges also changed in 1985, the first was with a maroon bachgroun and the next with black background. Neville