Kev in Deva

Hallo Tom thanks for the picture nice salty been there done that ribbon and medal Kevin in Deva.

Hallo Rick, many thanks for the post, the only thing real then is the actual metal spange?, all the rest, the ribbons, backing felt and the medals are recently put on, also the fact the maker cocked up on the wrong ribbon combination and its definately nasty white paper under the ribbons. So the question is: What would forum members advise, leave it alone, remove the offending Bavarian cross / or Konniggratz Cross, and if yes anybody suggest a suitable replacement for the aforementioned crosses.? ? Kevin in Deva

Hallo Gentlemen Old and "Dear" Friends, the one that features at the start of the thread finally sold on Ebay for 293.09 Euros Kevin in Deva

PS sorry Rick I was sure the collections could only be viewed by "full" members

Hallo Rick, thanks for your post, I took the bar out of the display cabinet this afternoon and made a few un-welcome discovery's, now bear in mind that this has been in my collection since about 2001 long before I found the forum and was bought on German Ebay. Notice anything familiar about the stitching pattern to the rear? The short piece of "Felt" used to cover the backs of the ribbons? The cut / snipped brass catch and brass hinge fixed to a steel bar. And upon close examination of the folds, wads of plain white paper stuffed in to give the shape!! Yes it seems our "friend" caught me out many moons ago and I never realised it Kevin in Deva

Hallo Dan, the glib answer would be, Very carefully or the same way they (Bavarians) served with Napoleon in Russia and then against him, but I never realised that the bar represented service on both sides (Must be a FAKE ) or else he was a super soldier, hopefully Ricky could offer an explanation?? Kevin in Deva

Hallo Pete As a probationary member you wont be able to see my Bavarian medals listed under "Collectors Showcase" so I will attach a picture here showing the correct ribbon. Just found out the bar is a FAKE and the Bavarian cross is on the wrong ribbon (please see posts under for clarification). The one on yours is for another Bavarian Cross, the WW1 Bavarian Military Merit Class I - III Kevin in Deva.

Hallo Paul C Beautiful Frack Bar thanks for sharing Kevin in Deva.

Hallo Darrel, nice UN Medals, there seems to be a number of manufacturers for these and they seem to fall into two types, the American fabrication with thick rim edge to the rear and a European manufactur with a thin rim edge to the rear, also slight differences in the ribbon ring mount. I have the following UN medals in my small collection: UNEF = UNITED NATIONS EMERGENCY FORCE. this as the letters U N E F on the front whereas all other medals have just U N, this one is an original first issue (of which approxamatly 50,000 were issued) and was located at a car boot sale in London by my brother Kieron also a UNIFIL Vet.) Established in November 1956 to secure and to supervise the cessation of hostilities, including the withdrawal of the armed forces of France, Israel and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from Egyptian territory, and after the withdrawal, to serve as a buffer between the Egyptian and Israeli Forces. The Mission was terminated at the request of Egypt in June 1967. The ribbon has a background of a sand or buff colour symbolizing the Sinai with a wide centre band of UN blue. Two thin lines in dark blue and green appear at either end of the ribbon, the blue representing the Suez Canal, and the green, the Nile Valley. Ninety days of service in the Mission was necessary to qualify for award of the medal. The following countries provided troops to this Mission: Brazil, Canada*, Columbia, Denmark, India, Norway, Sweden and Yugoslavia. * Sadly the Canadians had a number of personel killed near the latter days of the mission as fighting erupted between Israel and the Egyptians. UNFICYP = UNITED NATIONS PEACEKEEPING FORCE IN CYPRUS. In the interest of international peace and security, the Mission was established in March 1964 to use its best efforts to prevent the recurrence of fighting between the Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots and, as necessary, to contribute to the maintenance and restoration of law and order and a return to normal conditions. Since the hostilities of 1974, the mandate has included supervising the cease-fire and maintaining a buffer zone between the lines of the Cyprus National Guard and of the Turkish and Turkish Cypriot forces. The Mission continues to the present date. The medal has three equal bars, one of white in the centre and two of UN blue at either end. The bars are separated by two narrow bands of dark blue symbolizing the Mediterranean Sea. Qualifying time for the medal is three months of service in the Mission. The following countries have provided troops to this Mission: Austria, Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Hungary, India, Ireland, the Kingdom of Netherlands, Slovenia, Sweden, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the following countries provide civilian policemen: Australia, Austria, Denmark, New Zealand and Sweden. MONUC = UNITED NATIONS OBSERVER MISSION IN THE DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF THE CONGO, The Mission was established on 24 February 2000 by the adoption of the Security Council Resolution 1291. The main goals of the Mission are to monitor the implementation of the Ceasefire Agreement and to investigate violations of the ceasefire, to work with the parties to obtain the release of all prisoners of war and to supervise and verify the disengagement and redeployment of the parties' forces. MONUC medal was established on 2 May 2000. The ribbon has two outer bands of UN blue, representing the UN presence in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). Inside the two bands, there are two equal bars in yellow, they represent the dawn of peace and prosperity. The dark blue in the middle of the yellow represents the Conge river. Qualifying time of service for the reception of MONUC medal is 90 days. Following countries participate in the Military and the Civilian Police component of MONUC: Algeria, Bangladesh, Belgium, Benin, Bolivia, Burkina Faso, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Egypt, France, Ghana, India, Jordan, Kenya, Libya, Malaysia, Mali, Morocco, Nepal, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, Peru, Poland, Romania, Russian Federation, Senegal, South Africa, Sweden, Switzerland, Tunisia, Ukraine, United Kingdom, United Republic of Tanzania, Uruguay and Zambia. UNMOGIP = UNITED NATIONS MILITARY OBSERVER FORCE IN INDIA AND PAKISTAN. UNMOGIP was established in January 1949 to supervise the cease-fire between India and Pakistan, in the State of Jammu and Kashmir. The Mission continues to present date. The ribbon bears a wide central band in various shades of green to represent the Himalayan Range and the Kashmir Valley, flanked by narrow white stripes representing the snow-capped mountains. Two equal bars of UN blue appear at either end of the ribbon. Eligibility for the award of the medal is earned following six months of service in the the Mission. The following countries have provided Military Observers to this Mission: Australia, Belgium, Canada, Chile, Denmark, Ecuador, Finland, Italy, Korea, Mexico, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Uruguay, and the United States of America. Also eligible are Military Observers from the following countries who served in UNIPOM: Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Burma, Canada, Chile, Denmark, Ethiopia, Italy, Ireland, Nepal, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Nigeria, Norway, Sri Lanka and Venezuela. UNIFIL = United Nations Interim Force In Lebanon. This Mission was established in March 1978 to confirm the withdrawal of Israeli forces from southern Lebanon, to restore international peace and security, and to assist the Government of Lebanon in ensuring the return of its effective authority in the area. The Mission continues to the present date. The ribbon bears three equal bands of UN colour: blue, green and UN blue. The bands are separated by two equal sized white stripes, each bisected by a narrow red line. The colours represent the UN and Lebanese flags. The qualifying period of service to earn the medal is 90 days of service in the Mission. The following countries have provided troops to this Mission: Canada, Fiji, Finland, France, Ghana, Iran, Ireland*, Italy, Nepal, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, Nigeria, Norway, Poland, Senegal and Sweden. Those Military Observers from Fiji, Ghana, and Nepal assigned to UNIFIL as parent mission, and then detached for service with UNGOMAP, are also eligible, after 90 days of service, for the UNIFIL medal bearing a clasp indicating service with UNGOMAP. THE UNIFIL MEDAL SHOWN HERE IS THE FRENCH ISSUE. and has a different ribbon suspension. I served with the 46th Irish Battalion, UNIFIL in Lebaanon between 1979 - 1980. my medals can be seen at: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7521

Hallo Gentlemen thanks for your posts, some real nice examples, keep em comming Kevin in Deva

With regard the 1870 - 71 medals the steel, non-combatant is regarded more rare than the combatant version, the steel version has a differant colour ribbon and no engraving on the rim. Apart from that the bar looks ok, I have a similar one in my collection, and rate the combination as common for that time, and easy to find on the net. What price are they looking for this and did you see a picture of the reverse? Kevin in Deva

Hallo Solomon. Is it possible that a Cross or medal would have been issued to an officer or soldier with a production fault?, I thought all these would have been inspected before leaving the factory, or if a private purchase the buyer would have rejected it out of hand. The only logical explanation is it was damaged after issue by being dropped on the ground and possibly stood upon by a large body of marching men Kevin in Deva

Hallo PK, thanks for the reply Kev in Deva

Hallo Rick, thanks for your post, thats one of the main reasons I am searching for a publisher, the amount of information I uncovered (and not just WW1) while doing my research was phenominal, and that was only for the area of county Mayo, West of Ireland, just to thing there is another 25 Counties of the Republic, with as yet undiscovered information, unfortunatly as of yet I have had no response to my post with regards a publisher except Robin and the British Military publisher there suggested I get an Irish Publisher as it was too specialist for them Despite it covering the time from 1750 to 1922 when the country was under the control of the British!! Kevin in Deva.

Hallo Gentlemen I would like to ask fellow members to post here any WW1 colour military postcards they may have depicting military scenes similar to my postcard, they are artists renditions of action or life in the GERMAN, AUSTRIAN, HUNGARIAN, etc..etc.. military and NOT the photograpic type. Just a shot of the front will do as its the picture thats the main interest, if a used card a comment on the FELDPOST stamp can be added to the written description. Starting the ball rolling my card postaly unused showing Austrian troops engaging an Italian Cavalry Patrol. Kevin in Deva

Hallo Rosenberg, A very nice piece , a couple of years ago I picked up a similar one to a pioneer unit from between the wars, this one two listed all the people in the unit from the Company commander down by name. I paid 35 euro for it here in Romania at a collectors meeting, and sold it on ebay, for a staggering 240 US Dollars Now I wish I had held onto it for a while Kevin in Deva.

I think the confusion is about what got spun, the ribbon was turned over, in its setting, thus presenting its best side forward to the viewing public, and its a very nice piece too Kevin in Deva

Hallo Gentlemen just spotted this while out surfing "Medals" on the net might be of interest to EK lookalikes and wannabe EK collectors http://cgi.ebay.com/MASONIC-Silver-1869-ST...1QQcmdZViewItem Kevin in Deva

Sorry Dave it goes against my nature to take a lesson in how to speak the Queen's English from a Colonial Kussin and I am still not sure if 3 French Crosses of war would have been worn at the same time, if they were, then probably in a row, not here there and everywhere. Kevin in Deva

Jacky thanks for the post I feel you are right, with regards the French Croix de Guerre. There was a French Croix de Guerre issued for the years 1914 -15, 1914 - 16, 1914 - 17, 1914 - 18 and I doubt it was allowed to wear all four at once I still think he got a Belgian one though Kevin in Deva

Hallo Medalnet its the claim that they were awarded to a woman / nurse, no woman / nurse was awarded a non-Combatant Hindenberg Cross! His description: "nice and rare 3 medal womens bow my guess a nurse rare womens grouping almost never see 3 medal set to women ! Baden 1914/1916 nurses cross, prussian red cross award 2nd class, non combatant honor cross!!!!! nice large pin on back !!!! FULL SIZE MEDALS WOMENS MEDAL BAR!!! postal MO or cash overseas cash in reg. or western union! The cross is definately a bronze colour and not black painted, and the ribbon on the bar is for the Hindenburg Non-Com or Combatant as they had the same ribbon. It also appears the ribbon rings to the rear were modified for fixing to this ribbon bar. SELLER RELISTED: http://cgi.ebay.de/german-ww-I-3-medal-wom...1QQcmdZViewItem Kevin in Deva

Being English born and raised in the correct use of spelling, by my dear Mother, God bless her gentle soul, I will refer to it as Honour (and that a positive idea on my part ) and should not the C.M.H. be written and refered to as the "Medal of Honour" only as its correct title? Not sure where the habit came from of using the "Congressional". Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Kevin in Deva

Hallo Gentlemen: I think maybe there is a Belgian / Brazilian connection they too were fond of balls on the end of the crosses too Kevin in Deva on ball watch

Hallo g_deploigr Many thanks for the list of Romanian Officers who receieved the Belgian awards Kevin in Deva.

Hallo Jacky & fjcp, thanks for the colour shots, looking at the weird and wonderful colours on the ribbons (artistic liscence one wonders?) I have tentivly identified some of the medals as follows: First Row, left to right as you look at the picture: 1. USA, Medal of Honour (Chest award normal for this time?) 2. France, Medal of Military Merit. 3. France, Croix de Guerre. 4. Italy, Cross of War. Second Row: 5. USA, Inter-Allied Victory Medal with 5 ? battle bars. 6. ? Belgium 7. ? 8. ? Third Row: 9. ? Belgium, Croix de Guerre?? 10. ? 11.? Belgium Commemorative Medal of the Campaign 1914-1918 ? 12. ? Fourth Row: 13. ? 14. ? Any suggestions appreciated guys Jacky can you crop the medal area only on the uniform to show a close up ?? Photograph has to be after WW1 as General distribution of the American Victory medal began in June 1920!! Kevin in Deva