Gunther Beckmann Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 Your opinions as to authenticity would be greatly appreciated.Karl Pollath ??[attachmentid=56338] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gunther Beckmann Posted October 7, 2006 Author Share Posted October 7, 2006 I apologize for the multipal posts...Your opinions will be greatly appreciated..[attachmentid=56346] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 Please use "Add Reply" at bottom right of all posts to add to the same topic. I have (laboriously) combined every single individual post into ONE here now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunther Beckmann Posted October 7, 2006 Author Share Posted October 7, 2006 (edited) Please use "Add Reply" at bottom right of all posts to add to the same topic. I have (laboriously) combined every single individual post into ONE here now. Rick,Thank you for doing that for me..All the best...Mike Edited October 7, 2006 by Gunther Beckmann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Hi,I'll put in my two bob's worth - this is one that I would not buy for two main reasons;1) the shape of the crown well, where the hinge is placed &2) the spider-patina which looks like artificial aging.I can't make out umlats over the O in Pollath either, but that may only be the images.RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunther Beckmann Posted October 8, 2006 Author Share Posted October 8, 2006 Hi,I'll put in my two bob's worth - this is one that I would not buy for two main reasons;1) the shape of the crown well, where the hinge is placed &2) the spider-patina which looks like artificial aging.I can't make out umlats over the O in Pollath either, but that may only be the images.RegardsMikeThanks Mike, I agree.. I also have a problem with the casting flaw on the reverse lower right crown.Do you know why there are two spellings? Do you think this is a red flag?Karl PollathCarl Poellath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Do you know why there are two spellings? Do you think this is a red flag?Karl PollathCarl PoellathHi Gunther,There are many threads dedicated to the whys and wherefores of the two different spellings. I have a non-military item which uses "Carl Poellath" and "Carl P?llath" (note the C in the second spelling and not the K found on flight badges)! As far as I know, both variations you've mentioned are accepted on Bavarian flight badges (but the mark does not go close to Id'ing a genuine example)! In the POLLATH version though, there SHOULD be an umlat over the O.For what it's worth, they are still in existence and have been contacted in the past by other members to try and resolve the issure, without 100% success though. Here's a link to their current website;http://www.poellath.de/index.htmRegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunther Beckmann Posted October 8, 2006 Author Share Posted October 8, 2006 Thanks Mike K,I've been reading several threads here and on WA. I've learned quite a bit. Wish I had done the reading before I posted the images of this badge.. I'll be sending it back on Tuesday..That is interesting about the Poellath firm, thanks for the link..All the best..Mike W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Copy. Look at detail, it's not there. I'll bet the height is less than 74mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 I've always shunned those badges that seem to have a reverse ray setup from the originals on the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunther Beckmann Posted October 8, 2006 Author Share Posted October 8, 2006 Brian,Would you mind elaborating on "reverse ray setup from the originals on the back" ? I don't understand..Best....Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 To me the rays look carved out not raised. The badge on the right is real and left is fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Here's some more detail maybe you can see what I like and don't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunther Beckmann Posted October 8, 2006 Author Share Posted October 8, 2006 Brian,That is all very interesting. But what makes you so sure one type is good and one type is bad?How can you be sure?Best...Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 The obverse has many faces. Just my opinion Gunther, collect what you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike K Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Brian,That is all very interesting. But what makes you so sure one type is good and one type is bad?How can you be sure?Best...MikeHi Mike,That good Juncker type is the only type I personally have seen with any direct German veteran provenance. Imo that type is rock solid good. Of course it's been faked and there are some good castings in curculation so care still needs to be taken.RegardsMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 There is NO documentation of ANY Prussian (Juncker) Aviation Badge (Army) having been made with that crown mark. The quality of every single one is substantially below known originals. All known (direct from family) originals have no such mark.There is some evidence that a substantially different mark may have been used on a very select few Naval Aviation Badges of Prussia. This mark is also known to have been used by Wagner on Railway badges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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