Riley1965 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 This is my from Bavaria. It's the:Bayern Milit?r-Verdienstkreuz III. Klasse mit Schwertern The third class of the Military Service Cross was founded on December 22, 1913 by King Ludwig III of Bavaria. All awards of the Military Service Cross awarded during wartime were with swords. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted October 23, 2006 Author Share Posted October 23, 2006 Here's the case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 This is mine from Bavaria. It's the:Bayern Milit?r-Verdienstkreuz III. Klasse mit Schwertern The third class of the Military Service Cross was founded on December 22, 1913 by King Ludwig III of Bavaria. All awards of the Military Service Cross awarded during wartime were with swords. DocHallo Doc, nice one, sometimes the maker mark can be found on the rear of the sword blades. 3 Form 1913 - 1921 And the ribbon had two thin black stripes to denote a war-time award as opossed to the Blue & white peace-time ribbon.There also was a 4 Form 1916 - 1917 (came with a Crown & Swords, which just denotes a higher grade of III Class,) you can take a look at some other examples at http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7352 Kevin in Deva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted October 23, 2006 Author Share Posted October 23, 2006 Thanks Kevin!! I'm keeping my eyes open for one each without swords and Crown and swords.Best,Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Thanks Kevin!! I'm keeping my eyes open for one each without swords and Crown and swords.Best,DocHallo Doc, be very careful about the non-sword varieties its not unknown for swords to be removed and then the cross sold on as the rare Civil award, particular attension has to be paid to the hole where the swords are fixed it should look like a tear-drop in shape and not round, also inspect for evidence of filing.Kevin in Deva- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted October 23, 2006 Author Share Posted October 23, 2006 Hallo Doc, be very careful about the non-sword varieties its not unknown for swords to be removed and then the cross sold on as the rare Civil award, particular attension has to be paid to the hole where the swords are fixed it should look like a tear-drop in shape and not round, also inspect for evidence of filing.Kevin in Deva- Hey Kevin,Thank You for the information!!! I'll be careful. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Y Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 Hallo Doc, nice one, sometimes the maker mark can be found on the rear of the sword blades. 3 Form 1913 - 1921 And the ribbon had two thin black stripes to denote a war-time award as opossed to the Blue & white peace-time ribbon.There also was a 4 Form 1916 - 1917 (came with a Crown & Swords, which just denotes a higher grade of III Class,) you can take a look at some other examples at http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7352 Kevin in Deva. Deschler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted October 24, 2006 Author Share Posted October 24, 2006 Unfortunately I don't see an evident maker's mark.Best,Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 Hi Doc,I?m glad that Kevin pointed out the problem with the ?without swords? MVK?s. This point can not be emphasized strongly enough; there are a lot of bad examples out there. Keep in mind that of your type of cross, there were 24 without swords and 71 with crown (again without swords) awarded.As to the tear drop shaped hole, below is an example of a second class cross without swords for reference. I hope that this is helpful.Best wishes, Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted October 24, 2006 Author Share Posted October 24, 2006 Kevin, Tom & Wild Card,Thank You for the information!!! Austrian & Bavarian ODMs are a new arena for me. I appreciate any help. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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