Evita's Private Air Force?

[Guest Rick Research]

Received this teaser from Ulsterman today. I guessed--correctly it appears--that this is South American in origin from the enamel ribbons. Each individual "ribbon" is held in by the brass frame, with American-style clutchbacks:

Wings... air force... the weird central device on the first one, magnified up quite a bit, SEEMS to be the estuary of the River Plate between Argentina and Uruguay:

air force? How about NAVAL aviation?

Other than that, no clue. This is a new continent for me as far as ribbon bars go!

[Ulsterman]

Hee hee

Good to see you all today.

I gave our friend our address here, so he'll be looking in.

I am gobsmacked at the rolls!

Astounding.

Many thanks!

[David S]

Coooool!!!!

They look Argentine (similiar design and form).

Uruguay and surrounding areas have different looking ribbons.

Antonio's magnificent reference site is here. Page 3 and 4 of Argentina have similiar to yours.

http://www.coleccionesmilitares.com/cintas/cintasam.htm#a

[Ulsterman]

I should point out that the one on the left has "yellowed" with age and is a type B-found on page 4 (as is the other).

[Guest Rick Research]

EXCELLENT website-- thanks-- that is a keeper!!!

So, I've "cleverly" looked at exactly the WRONG part of the design, for rather than it being the estuary of the River Plate, it is actually the cross between a melting snowman/oddly shaped palm tree/and something vaguely pornographic is actually the Palmer peninsula of Antarctica--for somebody who ?overwintered there-- and the second ribbon is for some sort of Joint Services staff course?

[Ulsterman]

hee heee-Jeff Floyd can reveal all-but the Argys seem to have gone from cloth ribbons (old style or full dress) to these neat enamel ribbons fr service dress/combat dress. This air force bar may well have been worn IN Antarctica.

All part of my plan to get Rick to write his ribbon bars of the world book.....one day....

[raul]

Let me make this thing clear, the inclusion in the ribbon is the part of Antarctica that the Argentine Republic claims as of their own, the ribbon howing the map belongs to a guy who had a tour of duty there, where Argentina has importnat bases-It is an argentine law to print all the maps of the nation including the Antarctic portion

[Guest Rick Research]

Thanks very much. Are there medals that go with these, or has Argentina adopted the strange American custom of making lots of ribbons that have NO medals?

[sambolini]

Hi,

Rick, you mentioned something I thought odd as well: the American practice of making "ribbon only" awards. I spent many years in the Marine

Corps and noticed this and thought it odd even then. Lo these many years later my oldest son joined the army (he spent 18 months in Iraq) and it seemed that this ribbon only thing was even worse. It can't be an economy thing because U.S medals are just barely above soviet medals in quality.

Very strange.

Sam

[Ed_Haynes]

. . . just barely above soviet medals in quality.

Yes, very strange. Soviet medals are generally of quite high quality.

[Hugh]

The American tradition started with unit citations of various levels, including foreign unit citations. I had 4-5 of them worn on the right breast, quite separate from the individual awards. Nowadays, you see pictures of our four-stars with 4-5 rows of ribbons on the right breast. Can't imagine what they all are.

[raul]

No medals are worn by any of the military in argentina, our founding fathers stated that no medals were to be awarded between the argentine armed forces,only those given by a foreign country, there are a few cloth or enamel ribbons, but a few, and never as I've seen the other day that General Commander of the US forces in Irak, he has a 5x6inch board in his chest that shows he is a living heroe,no doubt about it, but looks a little bit exageated.

[raul]

This is a picture of the argentine army chief of staff, as you see little ribbons, the metal buttons on his right side are those of General Staff School and other courses he took

[Ulsterman]

Raul-what about campaign medals-are they worn by serving soldiers? Also, the Orders of merit? Province medals? I am very interested in Argentine medals.

[raul]

Ulsterman, let me begin by saying that not only I'm new in this site but also that I am not into medals, decorations ,etc.What I posted before comes out of my knowledge of history and because my company years ago dealt with the military.My presence in this site is because I found it recently and immediately liked it-I posted a question about a couple of tinnies that I have and my purpose was to be a silent member , because I repeat, my line is not medals or decorations;I am a gun collector specialized in Military Trainers in 22 lr

For the abovementioned reasons unfortunately I can not answer your questions-Some weekends at the shooting range we meet with retired guys who belonged to the military, I'll pass you question to them-

[Ulsterman]

Thanks raul:

I'd apreciate any new information.

[Guest Rick Research]