Help! Notable Bavarian MVK recipients

[Dave Danner]

I got tired of missing Wikipedia articles and vague references, so over the past couple of days, I created a few new pages for Military Merit Crosses:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Merit_Cross - a disambiguation page to separate Bavarian from Mecklenburg from Austrian, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Meri...tria-Hungary%29 - Austro-Hungarian MVK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Meri...urg-Schwerin%29 - Mecklenburg-Schwerin MVK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Meri...oss_%Bavaria%29 - Bavarian MVK

Since the Austro-Hungarian and Mecklenburg-Schwerin MVKs were awarded to officers, there wasn't much difficulty in throwing together a "Notable recipients" section with a number of persons who already have Wikipedia entries or otherwise qualify as "notable" (these lists could grow, of course; the Austro-Hungarian MVK list needs more Austro-Hungarians).

However, for the Bavarian MVK, an enlisted award, I am at an impasse. I can only think of a few "notable" recipients: two aviators who are somewhat well-known to WW1 historians, Kissenberth and Ritter von M?ller, and two Nazis: Hitler and Sepp Dietrich. And possibly Theodor Eicke. And maybe another Nazi, Gestapo M?ller, who was commissioned fairly late in the war, and probably got an MVK in some grade and then an MVO4X (there are a bunch of Lt. Heinrich M?llers in the Beilagen to the 1918 Verordnungs-blatt). And then Reichsleiter Wilhelm Grimm (MVK1XmKr), Obergruppenf?hrer Karl-Maria Demelhuber (MVK3X), Obergruppenf?hrer Max Amann, and maybe Julius Streicher.

Two vaguely known pilots and a bunch of Nazis isn't the best list. Can anyone think of any others?

Also, if anyone has any corrections to the articles I wrote, you may make the changes in Wikipedia or just let me know.

Edited June 30, 2007 by Dave Danner

[Dave Danner]

Any suggestions on this? For now, I will just leave Hitler, Dietrich, Kissenberth and Ritter von M?ller, unless anyone can think of any others.

Also, I added a few more pages:

German decoration articles:

Orders, decorations, and medals of Imperial Germany

House and Merit Order of Peter Frederick Louis

Military Order of Max Joseph

Military Merit Order (W?rttemberg)

Military Merit Order (Bavaria)

Military Merit Cross (Prussia)

Military Merit Medal (Austria-Hungary)

Wound Medal (Austria-Hungary)

Biographies:

Jakob Ritter von Danner

Hans Ritter von Lex

Eugen Ritter von Schobert

Other decorations articles:

Grand Order of Queen Jelena

Order of Duke Trpimir

Military units:

28th Division (German Empire)

30th Bavarian Reserve Division (German Empire)

39th Bavarian Reserve Division (German Empire)

30th Reserve Division (German Empire)

39th Reserve Division (German Empire)

Guard Ersatz Division (German Empire)

I've also revised some of the more badly written pages, including the following:

Decorations articles:

Pour le M?rite

House Order of Hohenzollern

Order of the Red Eagle

Order of the Black Eagle

Order of Ouissam Alaouite

Non-U.S. recipients of U.S. gallantry awards

Biographies:

Hans Ritter von Adam

Otto von Lossow

August von Mackensen

Kurt Student

Military units:

J?ger (military)

1st Division (German Empire)

2nd Division (German Empire)

1st Royal Bavarian Division

All the pages I've created or revised can be seen via: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Airbornelawyer

Regards,

Dave

[Chris Boonzaier]

However, for the Bavarian MVK, an enlisted award, I am at an impasse. I can only think of a few "notable" recipients: two aviators who are somewhat well-known to WW1 historians, Kissenberth and Ritter von M?ller, and two Nazis: Hitler and Sepp Dietrich. And possibly Theodor Eicke. And maybe another Nazi, Gestapo M?ller, who was commissioned fairly late in the war, and probably got an MVK in some grade and then an MVO4X (there are a bunch of Lt. Heinrich M?llers in the Beilagen to the 1918 Verordnungs-blatt). And then Reichsleiter Wilhelm Grimm (MVK1XmKr), Obergruppenf?hrer Karl-Maria Demelhuber (MVK3X), Obergruppenf?hrer Max Amann, and maybe Julius Streicher.

Two vaguely known pilots and a bunch of Nazis isn't the best list. Can anyone think of any others?

I guess you mean recipients that the average guy on the street would know, as opposed to guys war buffs would have heard of?

[Dave Danner]

I guess you mean recipients that the average guy on the street would know, as opposed to guys war buffs would have heard of?

Sort of in between. The average guy wouldn't have heard of Kissenberth or Ritter von M?ller. The basic criterion would be: notable enough to merit an encyclopedia article. Kissenberth and Ritter von M?ller would have articles based on the lists of aces. Hitler and Dietrich are obviously notable/notorious. Gestapo M?ller and Julius Streicher are historically notable too. The other Nazis I noted do have articles already, but really aren't that notable (maybe Amann).

I was hoping maybe there's a prominent literary or art figure, like Remarque, who had been a Bavarian enlisted man to balance out the Nazis. Heck, if Henry Kissinger's dad were in the Bavarian Army in the war, that would at least balance it somewhat. Or maybe some non-Nazi Bavarian political figure. I guess its not really important, though.

[Dave Danner]

Here's a possibility: Ludwig Erhard, father of the West German Soziale Marktwirtschaft and Adenauer's successor as Chancellor. Erhard was born in F?rth, in Mittelfranken, Bavaria. He served as an artilleryman from 1916 to 1918 and was wounded at Ypres in 1918.