Sometimes we win one

[Ed_Haynes]

OK, they almost always win. Almost always.

A simple National Cadet Corps seven year service medal. Rs. 200 (=~ US $5).

Naming?

"NCCJ-GD-12110 F-O. MRS. KIRAN MALHOTRA, NCC".

Mrs. Mrs. Mrs!

Tee hee.

Edited July 13, 2007 by Ed_Haynes

[Guest Rick Research]

What organization has cadets for SEVEN YEARS? When do they turn INTO something else?

[Ed_Haynes]

These are for university-level faculty-officers ("F-O") who serve as NCC instructors (think: civilian ROTC instructors?). The NCC is complex and messy, worse than ROTC. Now need to find out how to translate "NCCJ-GD".

There's also a 14-year NCC gong.

[Ulsterman]

OK- I'll bite-why is "Mrs." the nomenclature for a fake?

Many of the Indians I know all use English patois from the 1920-40s so this would be technically correct, albeit stuffy, for a married female cadet corps matron?

Are there no Indian female cadet corps officers?

[Ed_Haynes]

OK- I'll bite-why is "Mrs." the nomenclature for a fake?

Many of the Indians I know all use English patois from the 1920-40s so this would be technically correct, albeit stuffy, for a married female cadet corps matron?

Are there no Indian female cadet corps officers?

No not NOT a fake. Just a good deal.

As a "faculty" member it would be the gora "Mrs." rather than the legitimate "Srimati" ("Smt.").

Who knows who she is/was.

[Ulsterman]

well a quick google check shows an economic ambassador to Cologne, a model turned actress, a barrister, a well reputed MD and another medical scientist (the latter four all females).

Hmmmmm....

a good deal is...a good deal! Congratulations.

[Ulsterman]

perhaps an HIV educator?

http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/102281514.html

Edited July 13, 2007 by Ulsterman

[Ed_Haynes]

well a quick google check shows an economic ambassador to Cologne, a model turned actress, a barrister, a well reputed MD and another medical scientist (the latter four all females).

Hmmmmm....

a good deal is...a good deal! Congratulations.

The name is sufficiently common so as not to allow much research (I know four Kiran Malhotras in Delhi without thinking too much about it), still . . . any medal to a woman!

[Ulsterman]

well, once again I learn something new! Having just perused the National CC's website (see above picture, which i borrowed/pilfered therefrom, in the name of academic illustration) the NCCC is a HUGE body! I just sent an email to the website adviser, a Lt. Col., with a link to this subject and perhaps he can answer our question regarding what rank/position she held? Perhaps you have the model turned actress.... !

[Ed_Haynes]

well, once again I learn something new! Having just perused the National CC's website (see above picture, which i borrowed/pilfered therefrom, in the name of academic illustration) the NCCC is a HUGE body! I just sent an email to the website adviser, a Lt. Col., with a link to this subject and perhaps he can answer our question regarding what rank/position she held? Perhaps you have the model turned actress.... !

Haved asked fairly senior friends in the MoD but they don't understand the NCC (either).

And, yes, they are quite shameless (and laughable) at Republic Day.

Edited July 13, 2007 by Ed_Haynes

[Guest Rick Research]

So Reserve OFFICER instructors are... civilians and not detached/(semi)retired armed forces personnel?

[Ed_Haynes]

So Reserve OFFICER instructors are... civilians and not detached/(semi)retired armed forces personnel?

Think (in US terms): ROTC/JROTC?

[Megan]

As information, in the UK the 'youth' cadet organisations - catering to people aged 13-18 - are run more like the Boy Scouts, they meet of an evening (with weekends and summer camps of course as well) and adult instructors hold military rank, but on a special 'not subject to mobilisation' contract - you are paid for camps & courses, but not for regular parade nights. This covers the Navy Cadet Corps, Army Cadet Force and Air Training Corps. Some schools - generally the private fee-paying ones - run cadets as an extra activity, they are normally called 'Combined Cadet Force' and students can choose to specialise in naval, military or air training after common basic stuff like marching and shooting. The CCF instructors are normally recruited from the teaching staff, on a similar basis to the independent cadet units, but some schools hire a specialist to run their unit as a full-time job, usually a nice niche for a veteran who enjoys working with young people but doesn't want to teach.

At university level, in place of the US ROTC the UK has OTC, which is treated to all extents and purposes as a Territorial Army unit except only open to members of the university at which it is based. Both cadets & instructors are paid for attendance at all parades, and the instructors are mainly full-time serving personnel seconded to the position. Cadets follow a 2-year programme which leads to a commission, and may continue to attend thereafter in more senior positions. The Air Force has similar, but fewer, units - usually several universities in a region share facilities, while nearly all universities have their own OTC unit (although with the recent surge in numbers of universities there is now some sharing, especially when the former polytechnic in a town which already has a university gains University status itself). Navy units are normally only found at coastal universities and often combine with a local reserve unit rather than operate as a separate identity.

Unfortunately I don't know how much of the UK model stuck with the Indians after 1947!

[Ed_Haynes]

On the NCC see

http://nccindia.nic.in/

where it says

National Cadet Corps is a Tri-Services Organization , comprising the Army, Navy and Air Force, engaged in grooming the youth of the country into disciplined and patriotic citizens. The origin of NCC can be traced back to the ' University Corps' , which was created under the Indian Defence Act 1917, with the object to make up the shortage of the defence services. In 1920 when the Indian Territorial Act was passed the 'University Corps' was replaced by University Training Corps (UTC). In 1942 the UTC was re-christened as the 'University Officers Training Corps'. The National Cadet Corps came into existence on 15 th July 1948 under the NCC Act XXXI of 1948 under the Ministry of Defence.

or

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/NCC/

or even

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Cadet_Corps_(India)

[Ed_Haynes]

And, just for comparison, the 14 year service medal.

[paul wood]

And, just for comparison, the 14 year service medal.

Ed I notice the medal says 12 years so presumably it is not 14 years.

Paul

[Ed_Haynes]

Ed I notice the medal says 12 years so presumably it is not 14 years.

Paul

Correct, of course, Paul. Typing before coffee is always bad. Worse when jetlagged!