Unknown German ribbon

[Befehl227]

Can someone identify this "German" ribbon? Thanks for your help!

[Kev in Deva]

Would be nice to see a picture

Kevin in Deva

[Befehl227]

Would be nice to see a picture

Kevin in Deva

Can you see it now?

[Guest Rick Research]

It ALMOST looks like the Danzig Lebenrettungsmedaille-- but that should be YELLOW edged and not this strange brownish-mustard color.

Has the dye color altered? Are the edges the same underneath?

[Befehl227]

It ALMOST looks like the Danzig Lebenrettungsmedaille-- but that should be YELLOW edged and not this strange brownish-mustard color.

Has the dye color altered? Are the edges the same underneath?

This could be everything!

The ribbon is from an uniform (SS) which was found in former Yugoslavia. This means that the ribbon could be from the NDH (Croatia), Romania, Hungary, Italy, and so on...

[Kev in Deva]

I can say its NOT Romanian, Italian or Hungarian WW2.

Kevin in Deva.

[Peter J]

It seems like this ribbon is a lot wider in it's original shape, the folding is clearly visible.

As for the identity, no idea.

cheers

Peter

[Befehl227]

It seems like this ribbon is a lot wider in it's original shape, the folding is clearly visible.

As for the identity, no idea.

cheers

Peter

You are right, Peter! The ribbon was folded in the red area. But it's still the gold-white-red ribbon!

[Befehl227]

I can say its NOT Romanian, Italian or Hungarian WW2.

Kevin in Deva.

It could be a Croatian ribbon. But the golden color disconcerts me!

[David S]

It's Rumanian - The Star of Rumania

The edges have faded.

Look here - top right

I knew I'd seen the ribbon somewhere.

Edited August 3, 2007 by David S

[ccj]

It's Rumanian - The Star of Rumania

Can we please see the rest of the tunic? I'm interested...

[Kev in Deva]

It's Rumanian - The Star of Rumania

The edges have faded.

Look here - top right

I knew I'd seen the ribbon somewhere.

Hallo Dave,

your link wont work via my server but I add the following info with regards the Romanian Order of the Star:

Original ribbon.

After the abdication of Prince Cuza, Carol, the second son of Prince Charles Anthony of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen (1848-85), was offered and accepted the position of Prince of Romania.

Once Romania was self proclaimed an independent state, Carol I (Prince 1866-1881, King 1881-1914) instituted the Order of the Star in five grades, Knight, Officer, Commander, Grand Officer and Grand Cross.

This Order was also in the shape of a Byzantine cross of dark blue enamel edged in silver or gold gilt surrounded by rays of irregular length and surmounted by a Royal Crown.

On the obverse there is a center medallion surrounded by a green enameled wreath of oak leaves. The center medallion has an outer dark blue enamel band within which the inscription "IN FIDE SALUS" is printed in gold gilt with three gold stars at the base of the ring. Contained within the ring is a dark red enameled ring with a gilt eagle standing on a lightning rod.

On the reverse, the center medallion is again surrounded by green oak leaves; however, with a red enamel center bearing the year 1877 in gilt. The ribbon consisted of red moir? with two blue stripes on the edges.

The Order had different insignia for military consisting of two crossed swords between the insignia and crown or two crossed swords above the Byzantine cross. The peace Medal was issued without such swords. The peace Medal was part of the original High Decree and the swords were authorized later on August 10, 1881.

The Order of the Star was headed by a Great Master who was the King assisted by a chancellor, the foreign minister and an honor council generally made up of four members appointed by the King. Any controversies concerning the Orders were settled by the Chancery who also kept the register of the Order and issued certificates.

The holder of an Order of the Star could be banned or excluded from the Order by a Royal Decree. Reasons included but were not limited to breaking of the law, disloyalty in the case of civil servants, discharge with disgrace or a serious offense tried by a counsel of honor in the case of civil awards. Military awards of the Order of the Star were returnable only in cases of high treason or desertion.

Beginning in 1932 a provision was added that established an obligation to return the insignia in case of promotion, death or exclusion, although this regulation was not enforced. On May 9, 1932 the design of the Order was altered by replacing the rays between the arms of the Byzantine cross with an eagle with widely spread wings between each arm. The center of the obverse medallion was also changed from the eagle standing on a lightning rod to the gold gilt cipher of Carol I. The ribbon was changed to red moir? having a silver border. In 1938 the ribbon was again changed to red moir? bordered by a gold stripe and two silver stripes.

On February 12, 1937 a new grade called the First Class was created and its priority was between the Grand Cross and Grand Officer.

The Grand Cross, Grand Officer and First Class awards consisted of a badge and a breast star. The Byzantine cross and rays (1st type) or outstretched eagle wings (2nd type) were repeated on the breast star and in addition surrounded by an eight pointed star (Grand Cross and Grand Officer) or four pointed star (First Class).

Information from: http://www.marksmedals.com/romanian_medals...f_the_star.html

Kevin in Deva.

Type II Knight, on Military Virture Ribbon.

Edited August 4, 2007 by Kev in Deva

[David S]

Since the link won't work here is a picture of the ribbon in question. The one on the far right.

Edited August 4, 2007 by David S

[leigh kitchen]

A variation on the EKII ribbon, perhaps an adaptation by means of an inked in black edging which has faded out?

[Kev in Deva]

Since the link won't work here is a picture of the ribbon in question. The one on the far right.

Hallo David,

thanks for posting the picture of the ribbons, the edging on that particular Romanian ribbon you indicate, is in Gold and Silver Bullion and indicates a very high award of the order, not a ribbon you would expect to find through a button hole of the uniform.

Leigh might be onto something with a faded EK Ribbon, especialy if plant dyes were used in the process!!

Kevin in Deva

[David S]

It could be a matter of the dye used..

If it is an EK2 I would have expected the red to have faded along with the black.