Rod Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 I have noticed that the Franz Joseph medal is often with a "locket" on the reverse.Would those of you that have this item care to share what is included in the "locket"... pics .... snips of hair????Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 I have noticed that the Franz Joseph medal is often with a "locket" on the reverse.Would those of you that have this item care to share what is included in the "locket"... pics .... snips of hair????Rod Hi Rod In regards to the Franz Joseph Order, have always seen a locket on the reverse of the badges. Never had one with something inside if so that would be a surprise. Also would like to know what was the orginal purpose of the locket..SincerelyBrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 Although it seems puckishly romantic, I suspect the "secret compartment" was actually nothing more than a particularly well made way of putting all the various pieces pieces together on assembly.Many gloriously splendid looking Orders have centers that are basically stuck together with a form of Icky Gunk in there that has long since petrified. Not many have a tranverse "rod and cotter pin" assembly like plain old Red Eagle 4s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Rietveld Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 as addition: the locket always indicates a real gold piecehaynau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Yes, all austrian-made pieces, have the reverse medallion hinged to the base of the upper arm.As a matter of interest, in my collection I have a knight's cross of the FJO with hallmarks of Rothe & Neffe (the "FR" in a lozenge), made of gold, and its reverse medallion is fixed, with no hinge. Ok, the reverse medallion's outer circlet bears an engraved/enamelled dedication so, this could be an explanation for the absence of the hinge.Best wishes,Enzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Could you post a scan? I love the way so many Austro-Hungarian awards were personalized as gift presentations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Hello,here, my 2 FJO knight's crosses (in gold) with dedication engraved/enamelled on the reverse medallion's outer circlet. Please excuse me for the disgraceful quality of the scans, but I have a stone-age flat scanner (from 1999) and my digital camera is in my office.Both pieces bear the marks of Rothe and they are from the early WW1 times.Best wishes,Enzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 We'll forgive you in exchange for perfect scans later. These are the first personalized Franz Joseph Orders I've ever seen. Long Service Cross show up with mother of pearl plates all the time, and I've seen Military Merit Crosses with the white enamel reverse disk replaced for a dedication.Your Franz Josephs are SUPERB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 May I add some pictures from my reference files ??, sorry to say I have no idea to whom the pictures belong, as I found them online yonks ago, however if the item belongs to any of our members I will delete the pictures if requested.Kevin in Deva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Don't think I've seen a Gold Merit Cross with Crown in GOLD for 30 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 (edited) Hello,it was a good idea to remind that also the Goldenes Verdienstkreuz (with and without crown), when made in gold, have the obverse medallion that can be opened, in this case thanks to an ingenious system of a loop and pin device.I would like to say that trying to open both the medallion of the FJO and of the GVK can be dangerous for the fragile enamel!best wishes,Enzo Edited January 6, 2008 by Elmar Lang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Hallo Gents, rather than being a locket, I think it more correct to call the addition a medallion? This one is in my collection:Front.Kevin in Deva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 (edited) Rear with the added medallion with:*VOM OFFIZIERSKORPS * DER LUFTFAHRTRUPPEN*It also carries hallmarks: "F.R.", (?) and "A" andtwo stampings to the ribbon ring of "F.R." and "A."Kevin in Deva Edited January 6, 2008 by Kev in Deva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Hello,of course, we're talking about centre medallions. But it's interesting to note that the reverse one on the gold-made badges of the Franz Josef Orden is usually hinged to the upper arm (with the exception of the pieces made by Rothe & Neffe) and that the Goldenes Verdienstkreuz (with or without Crown) has the obverse centre medallion that can be opened.The fine piece of Kevin (does it still preserve the original case with gold-impressed similar dedication?) is a "Silbernes Verdienstkreuz mit der Krone", whose reverse medallion's outer circlet bears an engraved-enamelled dedication. This piece is also made by Rothe and -differently from the other austrian manufacturers- that jeweller made silver crosses with added centre medallions.Best wishes,Enzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Hello,I hope to be forgiven for the bad scans of my two FJO with dedication, posting an hopefully better picture of them.Best wishes,Enzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Yes, we forgive you now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Lang Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Oh... I've forgot the obverse side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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