Unknown ribbon on ribbon bar

[saschaw]

It's unusual I'm asking this question and I'm not sure if I did before, but I'm having this bar for years now and don't know what the second ribbon might be for. It almost looks like a Prussian Red Eagle order or Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen ribbon, but the position doesn't match and the ribbon is not the same, too - to few orange. Furthermore, the bar does not look like one for an old served guy that had RAO or AEZ. I would suspekt a German WWI bravery/war merit award from any fact, but none comes to mind with such a ribbon...

Help! I need somebody's help!

Edited April 15, 2008 by saschaw

[saschaw]

One more, but I don't want to open a second thread at the zinky guy's forums, as I know here are people that can answer the same question - what is the last ribbon for? It's a pure WW II bar, so the last award, with a crown device, should be something from an allied monarchy. But what? Bulgaria used the blue-silver ribbon for war decorations, I don't know a Romanian award with this ribbon...

[Kev in Deva]

Hallo saschaw with regards the WW2 bar with the red ribbon,

I have never seen on any Romanian awards neither,

the shape of the crown with swords brings Italy to mind

Kevin in Deva.

[paul wood]

One more, but I don't want to open a second thread at the zinky guy's forums, as I know here are people that can answer the same question - what is the last ribbon for? It's a pure WW II bar, so the last award, with a crown device, should be something from an allied monarchy. But what? Bulgaria used the blue-silver ribbon for war decorations, I don't know a Romanian award with this ribbon...

To me the last riband looks like the Order of the Wuerttemberg Crown military division

Paul

[Kev in Deva]

To me the last riband looks like the Order of the Wuerttemberg Crown military division

Paul

Hallo Paul,

all the ribbons featured in the W?rttemberg section of:

the "B?nderkatalog, Orden & Ehrenzeichen Deutschland 1800-1945"

by J?rg Nimmergut, shows various ribbons with the "red" but all

have black stripes of various size as well.

Kevin in Deva.

[Guest Rick Research]

That 1st one IS a Red Eagle Order/Medal/General Decoration-- just a bizarre variant. Like THIS one:

Which I STILL have not been able to identify the original wearer of, aaaaagh.

The "mystery ribbon" on your WW2 ribbon bar was meant to be a Bulgarian St. Alexander Order, probably. That could be awarded "mitX" on the statute ribbon, which is this pinkish-red color. If there was no crown (and that is incorrect for the Bulgarian St. Alexander, in any case) it might also have been an Order of the Lion of Finland:

[saschaw]

Thanks to you all. So the pinkish ribbon is clear. What (German) people were awarded an Alexander order usually? Am I right thinking that many of those went to yet well decorated people, in addition to their German bravery awards? Those WWII ribbon bars tell us nothing but his duration of service... that one seems to had no pre war service, though may have had German Cross or even Knight's Cross of the IC - who knows? I think Bulgarian orders weren't trown away to just anyone?!

To the Prussian ribbon: I read recently that Red Eagle medals were given in WWI as war merit awards to NCOs - on statute or black and white ribbon. Might be one of those here as well? The infomation comes from recently BDOS Magazine...

[Guest Rick Research]

There is a well known photo of Gebirgsj?ger division commander Julius Ringel wearing a Commander grade St. Alexander with Swords. NO idea how it was decided WHICH Order went to whom.

[Daniel Cole]

This picture of Ringel?

[Guest Rick Research]

Yes-- that's the one!