dante Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Neatly scratched on the back of an EK1 1914-18 "Lt Stockel MWB VIII" can anyone help with unit, thanks, Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Minenwerfer Bataillon Nr.VIII.Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Would this suggest fairly early on for VIII. Armeekorps?No St?ckel listed in "Dead Prussians," so he survived the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 (edited) From Kraus,"F?r die Ausbildung der Ersatzmannschaften sorgten eigene Minenwerfer-Ersatz-Bataillone. Zur Verf?gung der OHL, als Heeresreserve entstanden insgesamt 23 Minenwerfer-Bataillone:1915: MW-Batl. I-IV1916: MW Batl. V-VII1917: MW Batl. VIII-XIII1918: MW Batl. XIV-XXIII"There is no mention of these battalions being associated with the corps that have the same Roman numeral.Chip Edited August 1, 2008 by Chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Ah. That explains why it looked odd as a frontline unit designation to me. Kind of odd to put a replacement training unit on back!( maybe he was not overly confident about the odds even there and figured Small Pieces... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I am not sure if these battalions made it into the field as intact units, but this marking could have been made later, when this officer had been removed from a field unit in order to train new units being raised.Chipo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted August 3, 2008 Author Share Posted August 3, 2008 I am not sure if these battalions made it into the field as intact units, but this marking could have been made later, when this officer had been removed from a field unit in order to train new units being raised.ChipoThanks one and all, a quick search and it looks like it was a Saxon unit, I will write to the Hauptstaatsarchiv and see what is available, Paul2.3.8.5. Verb?nde und Truppenteile der S?chsischen Armee zur?ck zur ??bersicht? 13278 - Minenwerfer13278 - Minenwerfer-Bataillon Nr. VIIIDatierung: 1916 - 1919Geschichte: Verweis: Angaben siehe 2.3.8.5 Formationen und Truppenteile der s?chsischen ArmeeBestandsinhalt: Kriegstageb?cher.Findmittel: Findbuch / elektronisches Findmittel 2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Aha! SAXON!Well, cannot say if he survived then.There were only three SAXON "Lt" St?ckels-- all Leutnant der Reserve. Typical wartime slackness about rank suffixes.Your man is almost certainly OTTO, who received the SA3bX on 16.12.16 as Lt dR in Minenwerfer Kompagnie 184.Not Tom (yes, Tom) St?ckel of Gren-Res-Rgt 100, a St Henry winner who seems to have always been line infantry, or Frank (yes, Frank) who was in GR 101 with no indication of mortar assignments. :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted August 3, 2008 Author Share Posted August 3, 2008 Aha! SAXON!Well, cannot say if he survived then.There were only three SAXON "Lt" St?ckels-- all Leutnant der Reserve. Typical wartime slackness about rank suffixes.Your man is almost certainly OTTO, who received the SA3bX on 16.12.16 as Lt dR in Minenwerfer Kompagnie 184.Not Tom (yes, Tom) St?ckel of Gren-Res-Rgt 100, a St Henry winner who seems to have always been line infantry, or Frank (yes, Frank) who was in GR 101 with no indication of mortar assignments. Great stuff Rick....wonder if he is the German actor Otto St?ckel,(1873 - 1958) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 I doubt it. Probably born around 1893, not 1873. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted August 3, 2008 Author Share Posted August 3, 2008 I doubt it. Probably born around 1893, not 1873.Yes thinking about it you are right....still great to have a name and unit, thanks again, Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 Yes thinking about it you are right....still great to have a name and unit, thanks again, PaulJust been speaking to a dealer who originally obtained the cross, it came from an Airborne veteran who picked it up on (1944) D-Day+4, wondered if anyone could check if Herr Stockel served in WW2, as ever thanks, Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIR Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Hi,I don't think it is the actor St?ckel, because he was born 1873: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Stoeckelhttp://film.virtual-history.com/person.php?personid=9766Probably to old for a WW1 Leutnant and to old for the D-Day (71 years). Best regards,Jens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 I have been given the following.......V1102278 Nachname: St?ckel Vorname: Otto Dienstgrad: Leutnant Geburtsdatum: 23.07.1923 Geburtsort: Osnabr?ck Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 13.08.1944 Todes-/Vermisstenort: Otto St?ckel ruht auf der Kriegsgr?berst?tte in St. Desir-de-Lisieux (Frankreich) .Endgrablage: Block 1 Reihe 48 Grab 1051 Is this the son?and was the son holding his Dads EK1? the plot thickens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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