Non Combatant bar

[dante]

Recently won this on a local auction, its on the way as we speak, I purchased it for the sum of the bits ie for what each of the medals is worth, wondered if anyone has any thoughts on this photo alone, will of course furnish photos when the piece arrives...cheers, Paul

[Riley1965]

Please forgive my ignorance. What is the medal in between the EK and the Hindenberg Cross?

GREAT looking bar!!!

Doc

Edited September 10, 2008 by Riley1965

[dante]

Please forgive my ignorance. What is the medal in between the EK and the Hindenberg Cross?

GREAT looking bar!!!

Doc

Prussian War Service Cross.

[Kev in Deva]

Prussian War Service Cross.

Hallo Dante

Is the correct interpretation of the name ( Verdienstkreuz f?r Kriegshilfe 1916 - 1924)

not

War Service Help Cross??

This Cross I believe was conferred on civilians as well.

Kevin in Deva

[dante]

Hallo Dante

Is the correct interpretation of the name ( Verdienstkreuz f?r Kriegshilfe 1916 - 1924)

not

War Service Help Cross??

This Cross I believe was conferred on civilians as well.

Kevin in Deva

Kev, yes you are rght...but ofen simplefied to Prussian War Service Cross.

[Scott]

Nice bar - looks minty-fresh. I'd give it the once over with a black light when you get it. Any phots of the reverse?

[dante]

Nice bar - looks minty-fresh. I'd give it the once over with a black light when you get it. Any phots of the reverse?

yes it does look new, hence my bid was for what it was worth stripped, no photos yet but will post in the next few days, I bid on it because the group made sense for a non combatant and it would be unusual for anyone to "fake" a bar like this....leap of faith

Edited September 10, 2008 by dante

[Guest Rick Research]

"Kriegshilfsdienst" doesn't easily translate into anything in English, but given the range of services that cross recognized, I always translate it as the Prussian War Effort Cross.

Does indeed look minty fresh-- but then they SHOULD, what with only being worn ? 3 hours a year maybe. Carefully tended and stored a fancy dress bar SHOULD be minty fresh. There's nothing sadder than a ratty, dirty, stained one that the wearer would NEVER have worn in bad condition.

Flash a blacklight over the ribbons, but I agree the combination is consistent with a senior Petty Officer/NCO clerical type NOT the usual Super Hero of fakers' choice,and in perfect order.

[Schießplatzmeister]

Hello Dante:

All of the awards seem fine. It looks to me though as though the EK ribbon is probably of modern stock. I also see a bit of cotton? padding sticking out on the right side of the EK ribbon.

My guess is that someone "upgraded" this from a standard EK bar to a non-combatant bar. But, the only way to tell for certain is to have it in hand.

Best of luck with this.

"SPM"

[dante]

Hello Dante:

All of the awards seem fine. It looks to me though as though the EK ribbon is probably of modern stock. I also see a bit of cotton? padding sticking out on the right side of the EK ribbon.

My guess is that someone "upgraded" this from a standard EK bar to a non-combatant bar. But, the only way to tell for certain is to have it in hand.

Best of luck with this.

"SPM"

Thanks one and all....should have them tomorrow or the next day.....

[dante]

Thanks one and all....should have them tomorrow or the next day.....

Black light ok....tight ribbons....

[dante]

Black light ok....tight ribbons....

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[Brian R]

This bar looks good (although the cotton is weird). I doubt that it was a Combatant EK redressed with a NonCom ribbon. This combo, but with Black/White ribbon, would be a pretty unlikely bar. Is the EK tied down?

Edited September 20, 2008 by Brian R

[dante]

This bar looks good (although the cotton is weird). I doubt that it was a Combatant EK redressed with a NonCom ribbon. This combo, but with Black/White ribbon, would be a pretty unlikely bar. Is the EK tied down?

Cheers Brian The EK is not tied down :cheers:

Edited September 20, 2008 by dante