Tinnies German Olympic Badge

[jerseymic]

Hi Guys,

Could anyone please identify this badge. I picked it up many years ago with other bits and pieces but cannot find reference to it anywhere. I would much appreciate your experienced help as to whether it is genuine or not and what it may be worth. As this is my first post I hope I am in the right place and that the scans are okay. Many thanks, Mike.

[Gordon Craig]

Mike,

I am probably going to say the obvious here but this appears to be a commemorative pin for the 1936 Olympics in Berlin. Specifically to celebrate world youth. The GTD on the back would be the initials of the manufacturer. There is no patent protection on the back (DRGM) nor any sign that is was produced for the National Socialist Party. Sorry that I could not be of more help but every olympics generates an almost endless stream of memorabilia. In a short while tracing their origins, and there have been some threads on the Wehrmacht Awards Forum which have attempted to do that for some 1936 olympic items, without a lot of success.

Regards,

Gordon

[jerseymic]

Mike,

I am probably going to say the obvious here but this appears to be a commemorative pin for the 1936 Olympics in Berlin. Specifically to celebrate world youth. The GTD on the back would be the initials of the manufacturer. There is no patent protection on the back (DRGM) nor any sign that is was produced for the National Socialist Party. Sorry that I could not be of more help but every olympics generates an almost endless stream of memorabilia. In a short while tracing their origins, and there have been some threads on the Wehrmacht Awards Forum which have attempted to do that for some 1936 olympic items, without a lot of success.

Regards,

Gordon

Hi Gordon,

Many thanks for your reply, as I said I picked this up a long time ago and have never seen a picture of it anywhere, your advice is much appreciated. I have some other German medals, mainly Iron Crosses from years ago which I will post in the relevant section for all your expert advice. This is an excellent forum, the first I have ever joined and this was my first post so I hope I got everything correct. I hope as I go along if I make any mistakes that you gentlemen will put me right.

Thanks again,

Mike.

[Gordon Craig]

Mike,

Welcome to the GMIC and don't worry about making mistakes. I have been collecting militaria for almost 40 years and I make mistakes all of the time. The only way not to make mistakes is to not participate. There are a lot of very knowledgable and helpful people on the GMIC. I look forward to your participation and posts.

Regards,

Gordon

[jerseymic]

Mike,

Welcome to the GMIC and don't worry about making mistakes. I have been collecting militaria for almost 40 years and I make mistakes all of the time. The only way not to make mistakes is to not participate. There are a lot of very knowledgable and helpful people on the GMIC. I look forward to your participation and posts.

Regards,

Gordon

Hi Gordon,

Thanks for the welcome.

It is frightening the amount of good fakes around today, when I put my bits together years ago prices were a lot cheaper so if one made a mistake it didn't hurt so much. My collecting is on hold for now as I am renovating our property, but if something turns up at the right price I will certainly ask you guys what you think before I buy.

Best wishes,

Mike.

[Staff Sgt Jock MacSplock]

Hi Mike

You are not alone! Here's a (poorly scanned!) picture of my one.

As above, it's a commemorative youth badge from the Berlin Olympics, manufactured by CTD (Christian Theodore Dicke) who made other Third Reich items such as buckles.

JM

[jerseymic]

Hi Mike

You are not alone! Here's a (poorly scanned!) picture of my one.

As above, it's a commemorative youth badge from the Berlin Olympics, manufactured by CTD (Christian Theodore Dicke) who made other Third Reich items such as buckles.

JM

Hi Jock

Many thanks for the reply and the scan, at last I have seen another one!

Best wishes

Mike

[Duzig]

Hello,

I also have had this same badge at least for twenty odd years but I do believe I have read on one of the forums that these badges and a few of the other olympic badges, in example the judges badges are fantasy items. I also remember reading somewhere that the use of the swastica on many olympic items was pretty much discouraged by the olympic committee because of all the foreigners who would be attending. These badges do seem to be of fairly high quality but as I mentioned I do believe the preponderance of thought on these is that they are fakes. They seem to be all over the place at militaria shows along with the HJ nesselwang & 50 year deutsche jaeger badges which also are considered bogus. I have enclosed a few pictures of a couple I bought quite a few years ago. I have also included a link to a site called "the regalia specialist" which sells some of these "olympic" badges. I'm sure that I have seen the exact badge shown at other repro dealer sites but as of this moment I can't find it. I will continue looking and try to post a link when I do find them. Here is the link to the site I mentioned: http://www.regaliaspecialist.com/search.php Here is also a link to the official olympics website for those interested: http://www.olympic.org/uk/games/past/index...2&OLGY=1936

regards,

Duzig(Bill)

Edited October 31, 2008 by Duzig

[jerseymic]

Hello,

I also have had this same badge at least for twenty odd years but I do believe I have read on one of the forums that these badges and a few of the other olympic badges, in example the judges badges are fantasy items. I also remember reading somewhere that the use of the swastica on many olympic items was pretty much discouraged by the olympic committee because of all the foreigners who would be attending. These badges do seem to be of fairly high quality but as I mentioned I do believe the preponderance of thought on these is that they are fakes. They seem to be all over the place at militaria shows along with the HJ nesselwang & 50 year deutsche jaeger badges which also are considered bogus. I have enclosed a few pictures of a couple I bought quite a few years ago. I have also included a link to a site called "the regalia specialist" which sells some of these "olympic" badges. I'm sure that I have seen the exact badge shown at other repro dealer sites but as of this moment I can't find it. I will continue looking and try to post a link when I do find them. Here is the link to the site I mentioned: http://www.regaliaspecialist.com/search.php Here is also a link to the official olympics website for those interested: http://www.olympic.org/uk/games/past/index...2&OLGY=1936

regards,

Duzig(Bill)

Hi Bill

Thank you for the information, like you say they seem of high quality I will have a look at the sites you mention.

Best wishes

Mike

[Staff Sgt Jock MacSplock]

Hmmmmm ...

"Fake" in the context of these badges would have to mean "non period". On the basis that everybody and their uncle would have cashed in on the Olympics, the controls associated with the manufacture of souvenirs would, I imagine, have been a lot less rigorous than say for the Reichszeugmeisterei (RZM) and NSDAP items.

I'm not going to be as bold as to say that it's categorically not a fake (i.e. a later creation), however it presses most buttons for me.

PS While I can understand why the use of the swastika on trinkets and souvenirs would have been discouraged by the Olympic committee, I imagine the Nazi hierarchy took a diometrically opposite view given the politics behind staging the Olympics in Germany at that time.

Edited October 31, 2008 by Staff Sgt Jock MacSplock

[jerseymic]

Hmmmmm ...

"Fake" in the context of these badges would have to mean "non period". On the basis that everybody and their uncle would have cashed in on the Olympics, the controls associated with the manufacture of souvenirs would, I imagine, have been a lot less rigorous than say for the Reichszeugmeisterei (RZM) and NSDAP items.

I'm not going to be as bold as to say that it's categorically not a fake (i.e. a later creation), however it presses most buttons for me.

PS While I can understand why the use of the swastika on trinkets and souvenirs would have been discouraged by the Olympic committee, I imagine the Nazi hierarchy took a diometrically opposite view given the politics behind staging the Olympics in Germany at that time.

Hi Jock,

Thanks for that, yes I like it too.

Best wishes,

Mike.

[Duzig]

Hello,

I also have a few of these different olympic badges so I also do hope that at least a few of them turn out to be original,and they certainly seem to me to be of high quality and well made so while I do lean to these being mostly "fantasy" I don't plan on throwing them away any time soon. But I still think the preponderance of opinions about them is that they are mostly fake items. I have also been told by many that the HJ Nesselwang badges one sees, which are also very well made, are fantasy items, along with some of the enamelled NSFK badges and the Red Cross alpine rescue badge which I think the book is still open on. Another mark against them is that they often are seen on dubious dealers sites and all over the place at shows many times with the correct style pin plates but also many times with the oval shaped pin plates with clipped ends which I am told are strictly post war. Certainly no expert here just passing on information that I have read and been told so as with all things we each must decide whether we like or accept originality of an item.

regards

Duzig(Bill)

[jerseymic]

Hello,

I also have a few of these different olympic badges so I also do hope that at least a few of them turn out to be original,and they certainly seem to me to be of high quality and well made so while I do lean to these being mostly "fantasy" I don't plan on throwing them away any time soon. But I still think the preponderance of opinions about them is that they are mostly fake items. I have also been told by many that the HJ Nesselwang badges one sees, which are also very well made, are fantasy items, along with some of the enamelled NSFK badges and the Red Cross alpine rescue badge which I think the book is still open on. Another mark against them is that they often are seen on dubious dealers sites and all over the place at shows many times with the correct style pin plates but also many times with the oval shaped pin plates with clipped ends which I am told are strictly post war. Certainly no expert here just passing on information that I have read and been told so as with all things we each must decide whether we like or accept originality of an item.

regards

Duzig(Bill)

Hi Bill,

Thank you for all the information, it certainly is a minefield out there with all the 3rd Reich stuff.

Best wishes,

Mike.

[AlecH]

Picked up this Olympic Winter Games 1936 Garmisch-Partenkirchen Visitors Badge, a couple of weeks ago. Made by C. Posllath - Schrobenhausen