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Gentleman.Could I ask for the assistance of those with pre WW1 references for the PLM.I have seen some lovely photos of the gold PLM awarded to Hauptmann Karl Frederich von Lobenthal awarded for the 1866 war against Austria.He was with 3.Garde-Regiment zu Fuss.He later served in the Franco Prussian campaign and was badly wounded at St Privat where he was awarded the Iron Cross 1st Class.I would like to work out the other decorations and campaign medals he would have held.My thoughts are;

PLM/EK1/Crosses for Denmark and Austrian campaigns/Franco Prussian War Medal.

There was another von Lobenthal who received the PLM in 1793 and later as a Major General commanded 24 Brigade around Waterloo time.This Brigade had the 3 Infanterie Regiment in it...can I presume a grandfather/father/uncle link to the 1866 PLM winner?

Thank you for your help.

MIke Downey (Australia)

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Mike,

Karl von Lobenthal retired as a char. Oberst and Brigadier in the Gendarmerie on the 30th of October 1888. The 1886 Rang- und Quartier-Liste shows the following:

OPLM

RAO4

PKO3

EK2

Johaniter Ehren-Ritter

Officers' Long Service Decoration

Following his retirement he received the RAO3 with Bow in November 1888.

He served at the following actions:

1864: Satrup, Eritsoe, Fridericia, D?ppel, Sonderburg

1866: Soor, K?niggr?tz

1870/71: St. Privat, Beaumont, Sedan, Paris

Regards

Glenn

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Glenn.Tremendous!Could you organise a colour scan of him in full dress uniform please?

Seriously, I do appreciate your information.A beer (or two) awaits you when next you visit Down Under.Would you think I might have any hope of finding an image of him?

Again thanks.

Mike

quote name='Glenn J' date='Nov 3 2005, 16:57 ' post='28828']

Mike,

Karl von Lobenthal retired as a char. Oberst and Brigadier in the Gendarmerie on the 30th of October 1888. The 1886 Rang- und Quartier-Liste shows the following:

OPLM

RAO4

PKO3

EK2

Johaniter Ehren-Ritter

Officers' Long Service Decoration

Following his retirement he received the RAO3 with Bow in November 1888.

He served at the following actions:

1864: Satrup, Eritsoe, Fridericia, D?ppel, Sonderburg

1866: Soor, K?niggr?tz

1870/71: St. Privat, Beaumont, Sedan, Paris

Regards

Glenn

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Mike,

You are correct. Karl Fried. Ludwig von Lobenthal was the grandfather of the 1866 PLM winner, Karl von Lobenthal. I traced this through entries in Priesdorff, the Offiziers-Stammliste for IR 13 (father of 1866 PLM winner, who is also mentioned in Priesdorff) and the Stammliste for the 3. GRzF (1866 Karl). Should more specific information be of interest, just let me know.

Andy

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Glenn.Tremendous!Could you organise a colour scan of him in full dress uniform please?

Seriously, I do appreciate your information.A beer (or two) awaits you when next you visit Down Under.Would you think I might have any hope of finding an image of him?

Again thanks.

Mike

quote name='Glenn J' date='Nov 3 2005, 16:57 ' post='28828']

Mike,

Karl von Lobenthal retired as a char. Oberst and Brigadier in the Gendarmerie on the 30th of October 1888. The 1886 Rang- und Quartier-Liste shows the following:

OPLM

RAO4

PKO3

EK2

Johaniter Ehren-Ritter

Officers' Long Service Decoration

Following his retirement he received the RAO3 with Bow in November 1888.

He served at the following actions:

1864: Satrup, Eritsoe, Fridericia, D?ppel, Sonderburg

1866: Soor, K?niggr?tz

1870/71: St. Privat, Beaumont, Sedan, Paris

Regards

Glenn

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Mike,

Would you think I might have any hope of finding an image of him?

I have ordered a copy of the 3. G.R.z.F. Regimental history from 1890 at the local university library. If he has a picture in there, I will scan it when I go there on Saturday.

Regards

Glenn

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Thank you Andy for your info.Glen...I look forward with fingers crossed for a photo!

Kind Regards. Mike D.

Mike,

I have ordered a copy of the 3. G.R.z.F. Regimental history from 1890 at the local university library. If he has a picture in there, I will scan it when I go there on Saturday.

Regards

Glenn

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Good morning Glenn

How do you reckon this would be for v Lobenthal's medal bar?

EK2 (1870)

Red Eagle 3 with bow (no swords?)

Crown Order 3 (no swords?)

Campaign crosses for:

Duppel

Koninggratz

Main Army (?)

1870 war medal with bars that you mentioned

Officers Long Service Cross

Do you know if he lived long enough to get the Centenary medal?

Again thank you for checking the Regimental history.

Kind Regards

Mike Downey

quote name='bravo2zero' date='Nov 6 2005, 20:16 ' post='29377']

Glen.Thank you for looking....it was very much appreciated,

Mike

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