PC awarded Iron Cross in 1986?

[Simon Orchard]

Can someone sort this one out?

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If the link doesn't work, it's on another forum where it's being claimed that PC's Wilkin and Thain were both awarded a 'German Iron Cross' in 1986.

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[Guest Rick Research]

Duhhhhhhhhh.

It was the French St. Helena Medal of 1857. :speechless:

[bigjarofwasps]

Does Germany still have the Iron Cross? :rolleyes:

[Guest Rick Research]

Apparently-- if somebody actually believes they got one in 1986.

Was that the 1914 or 1939 model, One Wonders?

:cheeky:

[Simon Orchard]

It's German and cross shaped so what else could it be?

Seriously though, would it most likely have been one grade or another of the verdienstkreuz?

[Kev in Deva]

Apparently-- if somebody actually believes they got one in 1986.

Was that the 1914 or 1939 model, One Wonders?

Or the Heinz 57 model

Kevin in Deva :P

[Naxos]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badge_of_Hono..._the_Bundeswehr

Bundeswehr Ehrenkreuz established in 1980

I can see were Ehren-kreuz (honor cross) can be misread as iron cross.

Hardy

Edited November 7, 2008 by Naxos

[Kev in Deva]

I believe the award for the two policemen to have been a grade of the Bundesverdienstkreuz

and not a German Military award as pictured above, of course I stand open to correction.

Kevin in Deva :beer:

[Naxos]

I believe the award for the two policemen to have been a grade of the Bundesverdienstkreuz

and not a German Military award as pictured above, of course I stand open to correction.

Kevin in Deva

Kevin,

the Bundesverdienstkreuz is a civilian award for exemplary service for the Federal Republic in politics, economy education and so on

?Er wird verliehen f?r Leistungen, die im Bereich der politischen, der wirtschaftlich-sozialen und der geistigen Arbeit dem Wiederaufbau des Vaterlandes dienten, und soll eine Auszeichnung all derer bedeuten, deren Wirken zum friedlichen Aufstieg der Bundesrepublik Deutschland beitr?gt."

Hardy

Edited November 7, 2008 by Naxos

[Kev in Deva]

Hallo Hardy, is it not possible to have been awarded to the British policemen?

It seems to have a grades issuable to foreigners.

With PC Wilkin on motorcycle escort duty rode deliberately into path of oncoming vehicle whilst escorting President of Germany on State visit in Banstead en route to Gatwick Airport.

The Bundesverdienstkreuz has eight classes, in ascending order:

* Verdienstmedaille (Medal of Merit)

* Verdienstkreuz am Bande (Cross of Merit on ribbon)

o international: Ritterkreuz (Knight's Cross)

* Verdienstkreuz 1. Klasse (Cross of Merit, First class)

o international: Offizierkreuz (Officer's Cross)

* Gro?es Verdienstkreuz (Halskreuz) (Great Cross of Merit, neck cross)

o international: Komturkreuz (Commander's Cross)

* Gro?es Verdienstkreuz mit Stern (Great Cross of Merit with star)

o international: Gro?offizierkreuz (Great Officer's Cross)

* Gro?es Verdienstkreuz mit Stern und Schulterband (Great Cross of Merit with Star and shoulder ribbon)

o international: Gro?kreuz 2. Klasse (Grand Cross of Merit, Second class) oder Gro?komturkreuz (Grand Commander's Cross)

* Gro?kreuz (Grand Cross)

* Sonderstufe des Gro?kreuzes (Special class of the Grand Cross)

The President of the Federal Republic holds the Sonderstufe des Gro?kreuzes ex officio. It is awarded to him in a ceremony by the President of the Bundestag attended by the Chancellor, the President of the Bundesrat and the President of the Bundesverfassungsgericht. Other than the President of the Federal Republic, only a foreign head of state can be awarded with the highest class. The Gro?kreuze can also be given in a special rare design. Only two people have had this award, Konrad Adenauer and Helmut Kohl.

Kevin in Deva. :beer:

[Naxos]

quote: "is it not possible to have been awarded to the British policemen?"

yes Kevin, it is absolutly possible but not for military frontline actions.

Hardy

[Naxos]

quote: "is it not possible to have been awarded to the British policemen?"

yes Kevin, it is absolutly possible but not for military frontline actions.

Hardy

Reading the actions that lead to the award of the crosses - I'm not sure anymore - yes I agree Kevin it could have been the Bundesverdienstkreuz

Metropolitan Police Gallantry Awards 1970 onwards

Wilkin

Keith

1986

A German Award

PC

With PC Thain on motorcycle escort duty rode deliberately into path of oncoming vehicle whilst escorting President of Germany on State visit in Banstead en route to Gatwick Airport. See Encyclopedia under Special Escort Group. (Entry amended 7 November 2008)

Thain

Alistair

1986

A German award

PC

With PC Wilkin on motorcycle escort duty rode deliberately into path of oncoming vehicle whilst escorting President of Germany on State visit in Banstead en route to Gatwick Airport. See Encyclopedia under Special Escort Group. Entry amended 7 November 2008.

Edited November 7, 2008 by Naxos

[Simon Orchard]

Well the incorrect has been corrected and calm has been resotred within the force. ;)