I need info about ribbons bar and patch on a tunic...

[the doctor]

Hallo.

Please, could someone tell me what division or what

other else this patch stands for ?

Also, the ribbon bar is for (I think) Army Good Conduct,

American defense service and Europe/Africa/Middle east Campaigns

but the two stars and the other symbol on the Europe/Africa/ME what

represent ?? And the graduation ??

Thanks

[the doctor]

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[Guest Rick Research]

I do not know what the shoulder patch is for his unit-- it is not a divisional insignia.

Rank = Technician 5th Grade (Corporal).

Underneath his Combat Infantry Badge the ribbon bar is upside down--

the red and white Army Good Conduct Medal ribbon should be on the left not right side. In the middle is the American Defense Medal indicating service in the armed forces from September 1939 to 7 December 1941 before America was at war, then finally the European African Middle Eastern Campaign Medal with 3 stars for campaigns he fought in.

This appears to be from before 1945. In 1945 anyone with a Combat Infantry Badge was authorized to also receive a Bronze Star decoration.

[the doctor]

Many thanks, Rick.

Very explicative.

On his right chest there is another sewn cloth in a rhomboidal shape with an eagle inside a circle....may I know for this one too please ?

[Guest Rick Research]

That one we call "The Ruptured Duck" It is the insignia for soldiers discharged from the army but who had no civilian clothing to wear at the end of the war.

That insignia meant--

no more saluting officers-- the wearer was a civilian again! :cheers:

[Ulsterman]

The patch is for the US 6th army. I think the "A" in the patch was added @ 1943 or so (Jeff Floyd or Verkuilen will know).

How many over seas stripes does the guy have at the lower sleeve?

I thought the CIB translating into an automatic Bronze Star didn't happen until 1947?

Edited January 17, 2009 by Ulsterman

[the doctor]

How many over seas stripes does the guy have at the lower sleeve?

3 stripes

[the doctor]

I like this one, found with the tunic.....

[the doctor]

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[Doc]

Interesting from a timeline standpoint, the Code of Conduct was first issued in about 1955. It could not be from WW2.

On the European African Middle Eastern Campaign Medal Ribbon,

One bronze service star is authorized for each campaign under

the following conditions:

(1) Assigned or attached to, and present for duty with, a unit

during the period in which it participated in combat.

(2) Under orders in the combat zone and in addition meets any of

the following requirements:

(a) Awarded a combat decoration.

(b) Furnished a certificate by a commanding general of a corps or

higher unit or independent force that he actually participated in

combat.

© Served at a normal post of duty (as contrasted to occupying

the status of an inspector, observer, or visitor).

(d) Aboard a vessel other than in a passenger status and furnished

a certificate by the home port commander of the vessel that he

served in the combat zone.

(3) Was an evadee or escapee in the combat zone or recovered

from a prisoner?of?war status in the combat zone during the time

limitations of the campaign. Prisoners of war will not be accorded

credit for the time spent in confinement or while otherwise in

restraint under enemy control.

The arrowhead is authorized for wear on this medal to denote

participation in a combat parachute jump, helicopter assault landing,

combat glider landing, or amphibious assault landing, while assigned

or attached as a member of an organized force carrying out

an assigned tactical mission. (and by the way, it should be point up!) Doc

[Ulsterman]

According to Bender and many others, the Army Good Conduct medal was first authorized and issued on June 1941 and amended in 1943 and 1944. It was allowed for each three year period of enlistment AFTER 27 August 1940. For the first award, only one year served between Dec. 7, 1941 and March 2, 1946 is required for the medals' award......or if you were KIA before one year of service.

Often the army GCM is the only actual medal a guy received after getting his ruptured duck in late 1944 or 1945. The Victory medals were issued starting in early 1945.

There is an excellent OMSA article about these.

The picture below was taken in March, 1945 in the UK.

Edited January 19, 2009 by Ulsterman

[Doc]

The 6th Army fought in the Pacific in WW2, and then became a HQ unit at San Francisco after the war. Since the uniform carries the 6th Army patch, but no corresponding Asia-Pacific Campaign ribbon, I suspect it was a post-war assignment.

Ah, I just noted you also asked about the rank patch-- That is a Technical sergeant. This is similar to the US Army "specialist" ranks of the 1960s and 1970s. Doc

Edited January 19, 2009 by Doc