Hungary Hungary - WW2 Air Force Dress Daggers

[hunyadi]

Szia Janos!

Thanks for posting your daggers - perhaps with my statements I am gun-shy as the maker marked ones I ever saw all had issues with them. I never felt comfortable purchasing a maker marked blade esp after other collectors warned me against them - they probably had the same mind set to avoid the maker marked items. One factor that I would like to point out is the maker marks. I am not questioning your belief or knowledge about this but making one reason why I avoided them with maker marks.

- the maker marked balde you showed from Koz?k Antal - the makers stamp is "incomplete" and the serial numbers are crude. I always find it hard to accept that if my company would put a stamp or "advertisement" on a product - that it would be poor, or ugly in appearance. One sees this in 3rd Reich reproductions all the time - but very rarely in actual period items. In all the fakes by Ungarn and Horvath we see the same "good" quality - but not the type one would expect from the period of WW2. The Magyar people are a proud people and the items from WW2 are very well manufactured - even up to about the 1950's you see a quality in the work - but when you get to the "Kadar ido" and even today, the quality is forgotten. This is why I always avoid the poorly marked blades. Again - you have probably more experinece with these items than I do and you may be correct - I just want you to understnad my statements and reasons for them.

- the etching done to your offciers blades is very unique and was done by hand and doen during the war - you can certainly see this in the quality. The modern etching is an acid type with the names done by a rotray engraver.

Please post more - esp the screw type eagle head as I dont have an example of that to show.

Udv!

[Peter Orincsay]

Let me post some photos of my NCO dagger.

[Peter Orincsay]

For more detailed photos of my dagger, check my Collectors Image Gallery..

Edited October 24, 2009 by Peter Nyitray

[Janos]

Péter,

congratulation, you have a very nice dagger. Are you sure it is an NCO version? Have all the silver finish gone from the fittings?

Let me share with you my latest addition to my collection.

It is an NCO dagger - unfortunately the scabbard release button is missing.

Nickel plated plain blade without maker mark.

Hope you like it.

János

Edited October 26, 2009 by Janos

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[Peter Orincsay]

Hello János!

Well, i´m pretty sure the dagger i have is a NCO one. It´s not so nice and chromed like yours but the distinctions for the NCO dagger is there.

The release button is not "buillt in" like in the officers daggers as well as the marks on the holster that doesn´t have the cross pattern that the holster of the officers has.

Here´s some detailed photos..

[Peter Orincsay]

The release button that is not "inside" the dagger.

[Peter Orincsay]

No cross pattern at the tip of the holster. The officers daggers has this pattern at the tip of the holster..

[Janos]

Péter,

I sent you a PM.

János

[Valsente]

I've read all your very interested post but I'm not sure if my dagger is a right one or not. Could you help me? I'm new on this Forum and thank you all in advance.

Val

[Gordon Craig]

Valsente,

I am not knowledgable enough in this area to comment on your dagger but I would like to welcome you to the forum. Hopefully one of our other members can comment on your dagger.

Regards,

Gordon

[Valsente]

Valsente,

I am not knowledgable enough in this area to comment on your dagger but I would like to welcome you to the forum. Hopefully one of our other members can comment on your dagger.

Regards,

Gordon

Thanks a lot Gordon for your welcome. I hope so.

[hunyadi]

Vaslente -

plesase post more detailed images of the dagger. At this point I think it is probably a reproduction, but more detailed photos are needed to confirm.

[Valsente]

Vaslente -

plesase post more detailed images of the dagger. At this point I think it is probably a reproduction, but more detailed photos are needed to confirm.

Here they are:

[Valsente]

2nd tranche:

[Valsente]

[hunyadi]

Valsente - from what I can see, it is a overly cleaned example of an original dagger

[Valsente]

Valsente - from what I can see, it is a overly cleaned example of an original dagger

Thanks a lot Hunyadi. What do you think it could be its value?

Val

[hunyadi]

I would place it in the $600 to $800 range - the economy of collecting is bad - on a good day it could fetch about $900 at auction if there is enough interest...

[dzyner]

Hunyadi & Janos,

I know this thread is old, but I'm hoping one of you guys can help me. I picked up this Hungarian Air Force dagger with a lot of about 10 other German TR daggers from a collector. All of the German items are good (authentic) and based on what I see in this thread, mine is as well. I'd still like to get your opinions on it regardless.

Also, why do I see a reddish tint in the grooves of the dagger's pommel, cross guard and scabbard? Is that normal?

Thanks!

Dzyner

I collect all types of WW2 relics, with a specialty in German SS Daggers.

[Janos]

Hello Dzyner,

welcome to the forum.

Your dagger is 100% original and beautiful.

The TM, the scabbard release button, the blade, the screw on the pommel, etc are absolutely authentic.

Congratulation.

You have a great dagger!

Best regards,

Janos

PS: Regarding to the reddish tint in the grooves of the dagger's pommel, cross guard and scabbard - well, I don't know what it is. I've seen it on several original daggers, but I am not a chemist. Metals, reactions, etc are not my territory.

Edited May 24, 2012 by Janos

[dzyner]

Hi Janos!

I apologize for the delay in replying. For some reason I never received an email that you replied.

Thanks so much for your feedback, glad to hear it's a good one! That makes my day :)