Kriegsmarine A Hipper Tally

[2dresq]

I have been offered this tally,

I have some doubts, but I wanted to run it by.

Thanks,

JustinG

[Gordon Williamson]

Looks like it could be OK. Really need to see the letter "K" which is cropped off in the pic. There is an error in the "K" on the modern fakes in that the "hole" if you can call it that, in the upper part of the K is too small.

You can see my original in this thread.

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=14376&hl=hipper

[Gordon Williamson]

A better shot of mine

[2dresq]

Here's the full tally.

Regards,

2dresq

[2dresq]

Lets try this again. A larger view.

Regards,

2dresq

[Gordon Williamson]

You'd need much sharper images to have a chance of being certain. One thing I don't like is the colour. It has that very "yellow" look that modern copies have instead of the more golden yellow colour of originals.

[2dresq]

Here again is a scan of the tally

[2dresq]

The Back.

[2dresq]

I originally had a hesitation on this tally because of the closeness to the edging of the letters on the upper and lower edges of the letters as seen on the posterior side of the tallies.

In my experience, I have not seen a tally like that which turned out to be genuine.

However, I thought this might still have a good chance as this appeared from the scan to be a cellion tally?

This was my questioning. I can not provide better pictures/scans because I don't own this tally.

There is a seller on Ebay.de that sells reproduction tallies I didn't see a hipper tally but he has several of the larger ships Kreuzer, Panzerschiff, Schlachtschiff listed.

This tally is not from that particular seller.

Is my assumption correct? Can I see a reverse scan of your Hipper tally Gordon?

Thanks for your consideration and expertise.

Regards,

2dresq

[Gordon Williamson]

Whilst I would be hesitant to buy anything from such poor images, I do think it has a chance. These new photos certainly show a more believable toned yellow gold colour rather than the brighter yellow that the modern fakes have used. On many of the copies the weave pattern on the reverse is totally wrong,. but on some it is quite accurate though the materials themselves are often wrong (modern synthetics ).

I think this one would probably need an "in hand" inspection to be comfortable with it.

Attached a scan of the reverse of mine. This came from Detlev Niemann with a large grouping of around 60 documents ( Soldbuch, Award Documents, etc etc) to a Hipper crewman.

[John R]

The Hipper tally posted at the top is a 100% fake. Better images would show the telltale "dots" around the reverse images but you can still make them out here. These dots are not on real tallies, the thread is wrong, the thread reverse "density" is wrong. Also too bright. John