Dieter3 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 (edited) O.K., so I've seen some crazy auctions as I'd imagine we all have.Sure, I've paid more for things than the "market value", but I don't quite get these two auctions today. Not sure if it was a case of bidding wars gone wild or if these documents belonged to somebody important. If anybody can make sense out of it, I'd sure like to know!The first one for a China Incident award document, sold for ¥37,000with 70 bids! The second one a 2600th Anniversary award document for¥22,500 with 29 bids..... Edited August 10, 2009 by Dieter3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 The China Incident document is not in bad condition, the 2600th isn't terrible, but it's not great either. Any ideas on why the high prices?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichC Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 In this case, they were all awarded to the same person, Major-General Sukegawa Seiji. Commanding officer of the 38th Infantry Regiment from March 1 1937 to July 1938. This regiment was involved in the Rape of Nanking in 1937 under his command. Right before that he was stationed in Taiwan from 1/1935 to 3/1/1937. He ended his career stationed in the homelands (Kobe, I think). Anyway, a fairly well-known officer with an interesting history. Some hefty prices for documents that are otherwise somewhat inexpensive. Cheers, Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 In this case, they were all awarded to the same person, Major-General Sukegawa Seiji. Commanding officer of the 38th Infantry Regiment from March 1 1937 to July 1938. This regiment was involved in the Rape of Nanking in 1937 under his command. Right before that he was stationed in Taiwan from 1/1935 to 3/1/1937. He ended his career stationed in the homelands (Kobe, I think). Anyway, a fairly well-known officer with an interesting history. Some hefty prices for documents that are otherwise somewhat inexpensive. Cheers, Rich Thanks Rich, that somewhat explains it I guess! Just a a few bidders were battling it out with each other over these and they were hot to get 'em! I figured there must have been SOMETHING to this other than just a simple case of one-upsmanship! A Manchurian Incident document was up there too from the same seller, perhaps issued to the same individual but - in better condition than either of the two above, though it fetched a lot less at 'only' ¥8,000.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul L Murphy Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 :banger: I can't believe I missed these ! Even at these prices they were an absolute bargain given who they were awarded to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 Well, not to rub salt in the wound...... but here's the Manchurian Incident document - looks to be in good shape and awarded to the same person. Much cheaper at ¥8,500 (not 8,000 as I originally posted.....)! This just goes to show you it pays to know your history and the people involved! Well, I'll just consider my ignorance as bliss..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 Here's another neat one, a Pu-Yi Enthronement (I think.....?) document, ¥70,000 - no idea if that is a 'good' price or not but looks like a nice document and the only one I've seen in the short time I've been doing this. I think it is safe to assume these are pretty rare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichC Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Not only is the document rare, but it was also awarded to Sukegawa, therefore the high price. This document awarded to a 'regular' person would never fetch such a price, though it would still be pricey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 Not only is the document rare, but it was also awarded to Sukegawa, therefore the high price. This document awarded to a 'regular' person would never fetch such a price, though it would still be pricey. Indeed! NOw that you've pointed that out, I see the name. And indeed, all of these documents came from the same seller, no coincidence clearly! Sure would love to know the story behind how the seller obtained them! The items themselves are fantastic, but the history behind them even more so in my opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taquito22 Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 these were on Ebay or elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted April 28, 2010 Author Share Posted April 28, 2010 These were on Yahoo! Japan Auctions..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryptos Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Please tell me they all went to the same person and did not get split up! If I am to have any sleep tonight! Even if you have to lie...ok just kidding on the last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted May 1, 2010 Author Share Posted May 1, 2010 I can't honestly remember - but something tells me they actually did go to the same buyer. Really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryptos Posted May 1, 2010 Share Posted May 1, 2010 I really do hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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