Tim B Posted September 28, 2009 Author Posted September 28, 2009 (edited) Hi Rob, Well, I think I will eventually run out of different variations. When we consider that until just recently, there were a limited number of known variations; 1 or 2 Type 1, 2 or 3 Type 2, and 1 Type 3, I think the most common ones have probably been shown from collections already or we would be seeing more coming forward here. Here's an interesting item; based on Hendrik's site, I think its a cufflink. I have another one of different style coming in the last batch. This one appears to be marked De Graff on the inside. Tim Edited September 28, 2009 by Tim B
Tim B Posted October 5, 2009 Author Posted October 5, 2009 Thought I would add a couple close-up PICS of the cufflink and update the thread a bit. I received a few more examples and am still waiting on two more plus need to find another one similar to the one posted by Rob a few posts back. Are there any more variations out there? Let's see them if they exist! So far I still only see one Type 3; are there more? Tim Here's that cufflink again:
Tim B Posted October 5, 2009 Author Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) Can't quite make this one out? Something that says this piece is cast by...? co.depose Edited October 5, 2009 by Tim B
Tim B Posted November 8, 2009 Author Posted November 8, 2009 Well, I finally received my last two Fire Cross and will post good close-up comparisons soon. I still think the one Rob shows above is yet another variation in addition to all the ones I have. Here's another cufflink along with the first one shown earlier and one for a Military Cross. This second Fire Cross cufflink is unmarked. The Military Cross is a well marked example by Degreef. Tim PS: Oh, BTW, I know a person in Belgium that is offering a nice Fire Cross Grave Marker. The price is 65 Euros, plus shipping. He quoted me 26 Euros shipping to the US (it's heavy). I don't collect these, so if anyone is interested, please contact me and I can put you in contact with the seller. He's a great guy and also helps find other items (medals, etc.) if you are looking for something and can't find it. Let me know. Tim
Gldank Posted November 8, 2009 Posted November 8, 2009 I never thought of these things a cuff links. I always thought they were lapel pins. Here are a few of mine. Many different types and many makers. I have several grave markers if anybody needs pictures of these too. I live in the country away from many collectors so I do not often get to show others my collection.
Tim B Posted November 9, 2009 Author Posted November 9, 2009 Hi James, Yes, not 100% sure, only going off Hendrik's site where he references them as cufflinks in the section on Fire Cross. I suppose some of them could be lapel devices, though I also see this style which would attach directly to the lapel. Tim
Gldank Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Yes, I agree as I have over 1000 of these wrap around lapel pins. Hi James, Yes, not 100% sure, only going off Hendrik's site where he references them as cufflinks in the section on Fire Cross. I suppose some of them could be lapel devices, though I also see this style which would attach directly to the lapel. Tim
Tim B Posted November 11, 2009 Author Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) Here's an interesting observation! I just noticed this one for sale on ebay; note this Type 1 has the same corner flare type die faults as that of the Type 2 deemed to be a restrike. So, does that mean this is also a restrike (of a Type 1)? Tim Edited November 11, 2009 by Tim B
dcollect Posted May 16, 2010 Posted May 16, 2010 (edited) and here my latest find , payed a lot of money for it but it's the first in 20 years of collecting i have seen a maker variation with a very strange cannon Edited May 16, 2010 by dcollect
Tim B Posted May 18, 2010 Author Posted May 18, 2010 Now, that is different! Never seen one like it. Tim :beer:
Tim B Posted May 18, 2010 Author Posted May 18, 2010 I really need to get back on these medals now that I have the ones I had been waiting on when first adding to the thread. I believe I have found a pattern in the restrikes for the other types as well. On to your (dcollect) piece. At first I thought, when looking at the helmet lion, maybe this one was just a poor strike, but you can see the cannon is deliberately short as the sun's rays extend down fully to the cannon. Also, note the missing spoke in the wheel. Very different and the only one I have seen like this. That makes two now that are different from the "vast" majority; yours and the one Rob posted. All the rest appear to be pretty common IMO. Congrats, a great piece. Hope you didn't go broke on it though? Tim
Gldank Posted May 18, 2010 Posted May 18, 2010 I really need to get back on these medals now that I have the ones I had been waiting on when first adding to the thread. I believe I have found a pattern in the restrikes for the other types as well. On to your (dcollect) piece. At first I thought, when looking at the helmet lion, maybe this one was just a poor strike, but you can see the cannon is deliberately short as the sun's rays extend down fully to the cannon. Also, note the missing spoke in the wheel. Very different and the only one I have seen like this. That makes two now that are different from the "vast" majority; yours and the one Rob posted. All the rest appear to be pretty common IMO. Congrats, a great piece. Hope you didn't go broke on it though? Tim
dcollect Posted May 18, 2010 Posted May 18, 2010 i payed 25 euro for this strange example with the short cannon . not so much but a lot of money for a fire cross in belgium .
Gldank Posted May 18, 2010 Posted May 18, 2010 (edited) I would pay that price. I think you got a deal for a rare sample. Nice! i payed 25 euro for this strange example with the short cannon . not so much but a lot of money for a fire cross in belgium . Edited May 18, 2010 by Gldank
Tim B Posted May 18, 2010 Author Posted May 18, 2010 i payed 25 euro for this strange example with the short cannon . not so much but a lot of money for a fire cross in belgium . Hello, Yes, I understand that prices are considerably cheaper if you can buy over there but, 25 Euro is about average for what the UK dealers are charging online for one of these if you were to buy from one of those guys. Ebay, or knowing someone in Europe is the best (and cheapest) alternative IMO. Still, I would have seriously considered paying that amount as well for, what may currently be...a one of a kind example! I meant to ask last night; can we see the reverse?? Thank you for posting it!! Tim
Tim B Posted May 18, 2010 Author Posted May 18, 2010 Hi James! Yes, I know I need to get off my butt and get it done. Maybe later today I can post some more close-up images of the different FC examples. As far as the "Cuff links"; I think you may be more correct in that these were probably also used as buttonhole lapels pins. Was it Hendrik that had "cuff links" on his site originally?? Anyway, I have acquired more since last year. Tim
Tim B Posted May 18, 2010 Author Posted May 18, 2010 (edited) All directly relating to the Croix de Feu; the FNC veteran pin interestly has the same style shape as the others (fire cross). Any comments on that one? Tim :cheers: Edited May 18, 2010 by Tim B
Gldank Posted May 18, 2010 Posted May 18, 2010 I guess they could be used as cuff links but they were not designed to be. Nice collection of different styles. All directly relating to the Croix de Feu; the FNC veteran pin interestly has the same style shape as the others (fire cross). Any comments on that one? Tim
Tim B Posted May 20, 2010 Author Posted May 20, 2010 Well, just when you think you have things figured out, something like this atypical Fire Cross comes up and reminds you that you know very little. Bjorn, Any chance on getting a reverse shot of this piece? Tim
Tim B Posted May 20, 2010 Author Posted May 20, 2010 (edited) I've seen a few versions with those corner die flaws now and on different types. I would like to confirm with Bjorn before proceeding on that issue. For now, here are some better closeups of the various versions I have so far. Each one is slightly different from the others which lead me to believe we have several maker's of the 1st and 2nd style medals. Tim Again, this type 1 has the odd bottom on the front. There is no cross bar on this one. If you count the small bars down the left & right sides; =21 Edited May 20, 2010 by Tim B
Tim B Posted May 20, 2010 Author Posted May 20, 2010 Another type 1. This one has 20 bars on the left and 22 on the right. Notice the differences in the landscape between these on the front and crowns and lettering on the back.
Tim B Posted May 20, 2010 Author Posted May 20, 2010 And yet, another type 1 with 21 & 22 bars respectively. You can also see minor details differences in the bayonet and the width of the helmet flange near the bayonet on these.
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