Ribbon bar with Weimar extra?

[christerd]

Hi all, what about this ribbon bar ?

EK, Kriegsverdienst, RAO or AE , Marine-Verein medal, 1897, Lippe ?

Under the Marine-Verein is two Long service blue ribbon , did he value the Weimar ribbon more than the Ls medals ?

Christer

[christerd]

And the back of course , the ribbons look old and smell old , no strange colour under blacklight

the scanner make them look brighter than in reality.

Christer

Edited January 26, 2010 by christerd

[Guest Rick Research]

Hmmmmmm.

I'd say that is a circa 1920 bar with the later 1920s ribbon slapped on top for no reason at all.

1) EK2 1914 combatant

2) Prussian War Effort Cross

3) Prussian Red Eagle Order 4 (I think more likely than a General Decoration in Silver***)

4) Prussian/Reichs Long Service #Unknown 1

5) Ditto #Unknown 2

6) 1897 Centenary Medal

7) *** Russian Order of St. Anne 3rd Class

That last could be one of the 1919 junk ones, but if not...

4) is probably a 1920 XXV Years Service Cross and

5) would be an LD1 or LD2-- the PAIR suggesting an administrative official who was also a reserve officer, in a career path first decorated with a Red Eagle 4 rather than a Crown 4.

[HeikoGrusdat]

Have you seen the rest of the group...? medal bar , award documents , single medals etc..... unfortunately on all papers and documents the name and position was made unreadable... - group has been split up into 20 lots I think...

[christerd]

:unsure:

Aha , was there a whole group ? I miss that , to bad the name was messed up otherwise this strange bar could get a name ....

I have to see if I can find the other lots

I am wondering about taking away this 1920s ribbon and have a ordinarie ribbon bar but I usually never mess with period misstakes even if they are strange, so I don´t really know about this one.

Maybe I should keep it like this

Thanks for the id of the St Anne , Rick I was puzzled by that ribbon

Christer

[christerd]

Now I found the other lots to the same man !!

He was a Marine Lt in 1 Torpedo div 1912 ? what I can see , and even better now we can see his big medal bar

Ohh if I just could get the name

Thanks to Heiko I´m a little bit closer now

Christer

[HeikoGrusdat]

...yup that`s it.... the Marine-Vereins-medal (the ribbon on/over the ribbon bar) was sold seperatly , maybe it is the missing thing from the medal bar...

[Claudius]

Now I found the other lots to the same man !!

He was a Marine Lt in 1 Torpedo div 1912 ? what I can see , and even better now we can see his big medal bar

Ohh if I just could get the name

Thanks to Heiko I´m a little bit closer now

Christer

Those Obersteuermann shoulderboards! They are textbook examples.

[Guest Rick Research]

OK, so a DECK OFFICER, retired as a Leutnant der Marine aD after the war.

It would be a General Decoration in Silver, not Red Eagle Order... and he was wearing non-regulation XXV and XV together. No sign of ANY Russian award there, so either one of the pre-war Merit Medals on that ribbon, or something 1919 Baltic related.

Can't read anything from the distant pile of papers.