Lancer Skulls Query

[Robin Lumsden]

This photo (not mine) shows the relative size of the bullion 'motto' ..........

[Dave Alexander]

The blazer badges come in different sizes the more modern ones seem to get smaller all the time, perhaps because of the cost of bullion. The two uniforms are of different eras as we see by the button arrangement. The Regt only has a limited number of these antiques and are usually worn only on special occasions by lance orderlies ( anybody who can fit into them). The one on the right is more correct in that the crown looks to be Victorian as is the motto. The one on the left, however, looks to be someone's attempt to "dress up" a plain uniform. If my rheumy old eyes don't deceive me the WO II crown is a modern QE II one with what appears to be one of the small blazer badges. I am not a collector, in fact I own no books pertaining to anything military all I can do is offer some knowledge of what I experienced during my time in the Army. Little did I know that after de-mob the REALLY interesting experiences lay ahead!

[Robin Lumsden]

The blazer badges come in different sizes the more modern ones seem to get smaller all the time, perhaps because of the cost of bullion. The two uniforms are of different eras as we see by the button arrangement. The Regt only has a limited number of these antiques and are usually worn only on special occasions by lance orderlies ( anybody who can fit into them). The one on the right is more correct in that the crown looks to be Victorian as is the motto. The one on the left, however, looks to be someone's attempt to "dress up" a plain uniform. If my rheumy old eyes don't deceive me the WO II crown is a modern QE II one with what appears to be one of the small blazer badges. I am not a collector, in fact I own no books pertaining to anything military all I can do is offer some knowledge of what I experienced during my time in the Army. Little did I know that after de-mob the REALLY interesting experiences lay ahead!

Thanks again, Dave. That information is very much appreciated.

How about this one? Modern QRL ?? The motto is held in place by two loops and a pin.

[Robin Lumsden]

Another of the small bullion mottos ...............

[Mervyn Mitton]

Robin - what are the last Battle Honours on your two lovely Tchapka plates - I can't make out the Crowns ? You have built-up a lovely Lancer collection. Mervyn

[Dave Alexander]

Robin, # 53 is modern QRL and # 54 is 17/21L Mess Dress which was popular through the 40s & 50s as you can see from the rather dated lapels. In the 60s these all but disappeared as the Regt was split up and different Squadrons were sent to "incidents" in South East Asia, Aden and the Persian Gulf. By the mid 60s the Regt had reformed in Germany and the messes became more stabilized but few members of the Sgts/WOs mess ever possessed these preferring lounge suits or sports coats/blazers. Don't know the status of the present QRL as they are rotating Sqns to Afghanistan, where, incidentally, my Grandfather served in the 20s. "The more things change, the more they stay the Same"

[Robin Lumsden]

Robin - what are the last Battle Honours on your two lovely Tchapka plates

Central India and South Africa.

[Robin Lumsden]

Robin, # 53 is modern QRL and # 54 is 17/21L Mess Dress which was popular through the 40s & 50s as you can see from the rather dated lapels. In the 60s these all but disappeared as the Regt was split up and different Squadrons were sent to "incidents" in South East Asia, Aden and the Persian Gulf. By the mid 60s the Regt had reformed in Germany and the messes became more stabilized but few members of the Sgts/WOs mess ever possessed these preferring lounge suits or sports coats/blazers. Don't know the status of the present QRL as they are rotating Sqns to Afghanistan, where, incidentally, my Grandfather served in the 20s. "The more things change, the more they stay the Same"

Thanks again, Dave.

German skulls are my 'bag' ............ I'm on a learning curve with the British ones. Picked up this pre-1998 QRL belt last week ............

[Robin Lumsden]

.......... and hoping to pick up this Victorian pouch badge in the next few days.

[Robin Lumsden]

Latest eBay find.

Sweetheart brooch.

[Robin Lumsden]

It's hallmarked silver.

I paid £39 for it, which I think is reasonable.

There's an almost identical one on a dealer site for over £200, which I think is a ridiculous price.

[Robin Lumsden]

Today's addition.

Just about got 'the set' now ............. :whistle:

[Robin Lumsden]

As a point of interest, the sweetheart badge shown above is hallmarked by Frederick Narborough of Birmingham, 1915.

The other one (on the dealer site, at 6 times the price) was by the same maker, but from 1914.

http://www.regimentalbrooches.com/shop/shop.php?c=403

Just goes to show that real bargains can still be found on eBay.

Edited June 30, 2011 by Robin Lumsden

[Robin Lumsden]

Odd .............. ????

http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/50431-skull-badge-british-rifle-league/page__pid__461530#entry461530

[Robin Lumsden]

Picked this up a few weeks ago ........

[coldstream]

Robin

Have been reading through some older threads and found this one again........any new additions since 2011!!!!!!!!!!!

Simon

[Dave Alexander]

#65 shows the demi-tasse for after dinner coffee in the Officer's mess. I smiled at the maker's mark of Fine "Bone" China. How apropos.

[Robin Lumsden]

Simon.

Nothing much more in the lancers area.

Dave.

Thanks for that information.

[coldstream]

Robin,

British skulls not stylish enough for you now ????Suppose the cloth black one's are more interesting!

Simon

[Robin Lumsden]

Simon.

The 'cloth black' ones were always more interesting !!

What do you make of this ??

[peter monahan]

Looks like a friend of mine after a hard night at the pub!

I'm going to stick my neck out and say 'not British', but that hardly narrows it down.

Besides the 17th, the Leib Hussaren regiments and the SS, how many other groups wore skulls? Pirates, WWI assault troops, various 'elite' commando types, Serbian militia [yech!] and ...

Peter

[Robin Lumsden]

Peter.

The skull in post #70 looks very much like the one at the bottom of this citation ...................

[coldstream]

Robin

As Peter say's does not appear to be British, where do you keep turning these mysterious skulls up from?

Simon

[Robin Lumsden]

Simon.

Another 'mystery' ................... ;)

[Robin Lumsden]

.............. and another ................