GODISHIGH Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 what do the gau marks on SA, and NSKK dagger represent? is there anyway to research these? thanks john
Spasm Posted July 14, 2011 Posted July 14, 2011 First ever post, so hope it comes out right: There were 30 different territorial SA groups but only 23 of them marked the bottom cross guards (Gau markings) of their daggers. Only early daggers were group marked - late period RZM marked and mid period double marked (RZM and maker's mark) blade daggers were never "Gau marked". The markings are as follows: BO - Bayerrische Ostmark B - Berlin - Brandenburg Fr - Franken Ha - Hansa He - Hessen Ho - Hochland Mi - Mitte Nrh - Niederhein Nm - Nordmark No - Nordsee Ns - Niedersachsen Oe - Osterreich (before annection of Austria but some were involved with the SA) Om - Ostmark Ost - Ostland P - Pommern Sa - Sachsen SA - Sachsen (note capital A on some daggers) S - Schlesien Sw - Sudwest Th - Thuringen W - Feldherrnhalle (interesting one to look up this, I'll leave that to you) Wf - Westfalen Wm - Westmark The other 7 areas were Alpenland (A), Donau (Do), Kurpfalz (Kp), Sudeten (Su), Sudmark (Sm), Weisel (We) and Wartha (Wa). None of these areas were marked on the daggers as they didn't exist until they were annexed to Germany, by then the marking of the cross guards were dropped. There are maps available to show where all the above areas were and are vaialble on some websites about daggers - go have a look around. Be careful, these daggers drag you in as holding one is history itself in an amazing object. And all for 7.5 Marks when they were new. Cheers - Spaz
Spasm Posted July 14, 2011 Posted July 14, 2011 Ooops, sorry, forgot to say the same markings apply for the NSKK daggers as well Spaz
Spasm Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 Ooops, sorry, forgot to say the same markings apply for the NSKK daggers as well Other than: N - Nord (Hamburg) O - Ost (Berlin) S - Sud (Munich) Mi - Mitte (Nuremburg) So - Sodost (Vienna) A - Alpenland Bln - Berlin Da - Danzig Eg - Egerland KS - Kempfalz/Saar Le - Leipzig MB - Mark Brandenburg Od - Oberdonau Wa - Warthegan There may be some differences in the cross guards beginning with N and W on SA and NSKK daggers (No and Nm both as Nordmark, We and Wf both for Westfalen etc etc) but I'll let the experts put us right. Spaz
EBJ Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 The daggers are SA Gruppe-marked, not NSDAP Gau-marked. I believe you will find that the boundaries are not the same. Just my two-pence worth! EBJ
Spasm Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 EBJ Yep agreed, worth all of the tuppence Spaz
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