Mervyn Mitton Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Looking at this sword I would normally say it was a 'D' pattern British Constabulary pattern hangar - dating from around 1850. However, the hilt is so different that there can only be three possible explanations - a) Grips were changed at the whims of a Chief Constable ? b) The original handle was damaged and someone has gone to considerable trouble to make their own - but look at all the hand scaling ? c) This was made in an overseas country for Military or, police use. This was amongst photos recently sent from my collection - and to the best of my memory there are no marks. Has anyone ever seen a short sword of this type - with a similar grip ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted May 9, 2011 Author Share Posted May 9, 2011 The finish has not dulled - could it have been gilded ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Wolfe Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 It almost looks too good to have been anything but a private purchase as it dosen't really follow what you usually see. Where there swords worn by individuals for personal protection during the 1850s? Regards Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted May 10, 2011 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 Brian - to me it has a slightly Italian look ? However, without this hilt I would say British Police for sure. I wouldn't have thought it worth the trouble of making such an elaborate item - you're the expert on materials - would a lot of work have been involved ? Perhaps someone will recognise it and we will find the design has been taken from the Brit. version ? Certainly that circular finger retainer does not feature in British swords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Wolfe Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Hi Mervyn, I would think the hilt was cast much like the hilts on some American Civil War bayonets and also British Bandsman's swords. So really the most work would be in "cleaning up" the casting and if it has been plated that would have been done after the cleaning of the cast hilt. Your point regarding the finger ring may well direct us to a European manufacture. I hope some of the other members familiar with edged weapon will weigh in on this topic. Regards Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Shepherd Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Looking at this sword I would normally say it was a 'D' pattern British Constabulary pattern hangar - dating from around 1850. However, the hilt is so different that there can only be three possible explanations - a) Grips were changed at the whims of a Chief Constable ? b) The original handle was damaged and someone has gone to considerable trouble to make their own - but look at all the hand scaling ? c) This was made in an overseas country for Military or, police use. This was amongst photos recently sent from my collection - and to the best of my memory there are no marks. Has anyone ever seen a short sword of this type - with a similar grip ? I have never seen one like it Mervyn. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter monahan Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) I have never seen one like it Mervyn. Ian It's certainly an odd one! Mervyn, what makes you think "British Constabulary"? I would have thought that the blade pattern would be not uncommon - a 'hangar' or 'cutlass' - though the false edge [if that's the term] on the tip might be less usual. Peter Edited May 20, 2011 by peter monahan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 Peter - this was the standard size and shape for Constabulary swords - from the 1750's to about the 1870's. The sword it was originally based on was a civilian sword called the 'Hounslow Hangar'. Being fairly short it could be easily drawn and had a downward swing - Hounslow was a large and very rough are a of parkland in London. The shape is so typical of the Police swords that it is why I said - apart from the grip - it is to all intents and purposes - Police. But not with this handle.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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