JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 And another photo of type 4 from different angle (really beautiful toning of the kite and astonishing overall stamp quality). As I’ve already said – very homogeneous type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Type 5.1 Taisho Absolutely different execution of wings (they get a deflection), and the kite itself has undergone considerable changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Type 5.2 Taisho Slightly different geometry of a kite body on comparison with the previous type. The very stable common feature (we will have a talk about it later) of all sub versions of type 5 less vividly expressed on this type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Here is another type 5.2 with slightly different kite body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 And another type 5.2 photographed from a different angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Type 5.3 Taisho Slightly different shape of a kite body (more “puffy” kite). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Type 6.1 Taisho Different shape of a kite body (lines of the typical Showa kite start to appear). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Type 6.2 Taisho Slightly different shape of a kite body (what we’ve got here is practically kite from Showa family – a cousin with deflection in his wings). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Type 7 Showa Deflection in the wings disappears – they become straight. Most numerous and most unified type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 This type has many insignificant sub variations which were created by different dies. The most significant variation is connected with surface and form of the kite’s body. Here they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 OLD vs. LATE Traditionally the dividing line between "old" signs (Meiji and Taisho epoch) and "later" signs (Showa epoch) in 6 and 7 class lies in the wing form of a kite and apertures of the harness. Forms of kites are shown above, and on a harness the main difference of signs on an epoch of Meiji and Taisho from signs on an epoch of Showa is presence (an epoch of Meiji or Taisho) or absence (the Showa epoch) additional aperture on a harness. This characteristics is a necessary and sufficient condition that you badge belong to epoch of Meiji or Taisho. The illustration here will be more useful than words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 And here that additional aperture on a harness – to be exact its presence on "old" and absence on "later" badges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Another steady sign of "old" badges (from Meiji and Taisho epoch) is the distance between the fourth aperture of a harness (considering from below) and the first tipping over of a harness (considering from below). Here it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Types 1, 2 and 3 have additional common feature in the form of the wings – third feather from the top is the longest feather. At wings of types 4, 5, 6 and 7 the second feather from the top is the longest. You can see these differences at this picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Taisho badges (Type 5 and 6) or as they occasionally called, late Meiji badges, is possible to allocate in one group by two steady features. The first are outlines of a kite ("the failed" wings). The second – wider distance between harness apertures on the left tape above. Here is this place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 Only sub version 5.2 less vividly expressed this feature (but the distance is still wider). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 (edited) Is it already Taisho or is it still Meiji? The only thing that should not cause any doubts in the offered classification is type 7. Quantitatively this type dominates the others by order of magnitude greater. It’s definitely Showa. Difficulties starts with types 1-6. Types 1 and 4 cannot be dated accurately. On my subjective sensations most often you can meet on the market type 1, type 2 and type 4 (in turn types 1 and 4 among these three are the more numerous types). Type 3 is rarer. Their serial arrangement in classification does not lean against any accurate information and is almost casual. Whether these four types exclusively belong to the period 1985-1905 – we have no guarantees for that! Any of this types can belong to Taisho. Yesss… The main problem as always with Taisho. Type 5 and type 6. Do they really belong exclusive to Taisho? If so, than why so much passes of these types in the market? Too much and too frequent for Taisho. I will remind to my colleagues that by the most conservative estimations (conservative from my point of view) the total number of all kites in all classes awarded during Taisho epoch is 3000. Let the biggest weight in these awardings fall on 7 class. Let even total number of awardings during Taisho be not 3000, but 30000 (this is madly overoptimistic estimation). But even then type 5 and 6 should appear in the market much less often, than we observe it today. All that can mean only one thing. Types 5 and 6 get either into Meiji epoch or into Showa epoch. Or in both epochs. Only in one thing it is possible to be more or less confident – types 1-6 belong to the period of time 1895-1932, and type 7 to the period 1932-1945. In summary it is necessary to note that the major characteristic by which it is necessary to date kites of 6 and 7 classes are apertures on a harness, instead of the form of a kite. It is especially true in a case with a beginner. After all even a skilled falerist can easily confuse the form of a kite of type 2 and type 7. Edited September 22, 2011 by JapanX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Wow! What a great thread! Where on God's green earth was I when you wrote this one? Nice work!! :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 8, 2012 Author Share Posted September 8, 2012 Wow! What a great thread! At last! Where on God's green earth was I when you wrote this one? Played with the Red Cross stuff? :whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter3 Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Clearly, I was asleep at the keyboard!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted September 8, 2012 Author Share Posted September 8, 2012 Happens to me all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanX Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 A little update. Lately I found some documented groups with type 5 kites that came from Russo-Japanese War. So, as I always suspected, this type (5 and 6) doesn`t exclusively belong to the Taisho epoch. Check this out. Infantery Lieutenant Nischimura was awarded with this Kite on April 4th, 1905 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JapanX Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 Or this piece that was issued for Private Nakanishi in 1906. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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